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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 03 2009, 11:23 am    Post subject: using a translation name instead
 
What is an equivalent name for the name Fruma?
there is a fruma in the family that hasnt ever been named after, but I dont like the name. is there an equivalent or translation that could be used instead?
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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 03 2009, 2:28 pm    Post subject: re: using a translation name instead
 
Literal translation would be Datit, which isn't a name. You could get by with Chasidah, though as currently used it means a stork. But Chasidah also means "a pious woman". Yeshara means honest or upright, not quite the same nuance as Fruma but in the same ballpark. I don't know any Yesharas myself, but there's Rabbi Yashar Hirshaut.
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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 03 2009, 2:31 pm    Post subject: re: using a translation name instead
 
Use a second or third name, or use Chasida, or a form (Frima, Frimet, Frumtshe etc)?
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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 03 2009, 3:42 pm    Post subject: re: using a translation name instead
 
oh well, thanks.
I didnt think there was any alternative name, but thought I'd at least try.

to start a new topic, how guilty should I feel if noone ever names after her? its been more than 20 years and counting.
not just because we dont like the name, but also because of what we've heard about her personality.
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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 03 2009, 3:45 pm    Post subject: re: using a translation name instead
 
Another name is Aduka
Frimet is very common
Or just use the F sound for something else or the FR, also done
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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 03 2009, 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: re: using a translation name instead
 
amother wrote:
how guilty should I feel if noone ever names after her? its been more than 20 years and counting.
not just because we dont like the name, but also because of what we've heard about her personality.


It's YOUR baby and YOUR decision. No one should ever be made to feel guilty about naming a child. Better to have your parents annoyed with you for not naming after Aunt Griselda than to be annoyed at yourselves for using a name you hate. And if the person was not a nice person, that's that much more of a reason not to use the name. I know people who rejected names they actually liked because the names reminded them of people they liked a lot less.
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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 03 2009, 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: re: using a translation name instead
 
freidasima wrote:
Another name is Aduka


RU serious?
Don't use it...PLEEEEZE! Sounds like those trendy beans the veggie crowd loves...Adzuki beans, also called Aduki beans
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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 03 2009, 3:52 pm    Post subject: re: using a translation name instead
 
If the person was a fine one, I understand guilt about not naming after. Now, here it seems the real problem is not Fruma but the personality. Fruma you can put way behind name(s) you like, the middos and associations that's something else.
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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 03 2009, 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: re: using a translation name instead
 
freidasima wrote:
Another name is Aduka

That's what I was thinking of and then came up with a better one: Talibani
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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 03 2009, 4:07 pm    Post subject: re: using a translation name instead
 
My Hebrew names book gives "Datia"
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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 03 2009, 4:39 pm    Post subject: Re: re: using a translation name instead
 
Ruchel wrote:
My Hebrew names book gives "Datia"


naaaah, sounds too much like Kedassia, a london hechsher organisation.

Literal English translation would be Faith, which is not uncommon but new-ageish and probably a bit too goyish. Other names that start with "Fr" I can think of also don't sound particularly jewish, like Fran, Freya.
Just matching the first initial will give you more choices, Flori/Flora is quite popular, I know a couple of Fabianne/Fabiana (all are frum women). I also know a few frum Fanny's (a french, a belgian, and a swede) but this is NOT a good name if you know what it means in English...

I have an aunt Frieda whose hebrew name is Fruma.
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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 03 2009, 4:43 pm    Post subject: re: using a translation name instead
 
Flor/a is very Jewish (Sefardic), but it's a name of its own.
Fabienne is rather used in Jewish francophone circles... Fanny/Fani is often for Feiga (that's an old one).
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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 03 2009, 5:40 pm    Post subject: re: using a translation name instead
 
Don't use Fruma, Aduka, Datia, Chasida, Serufa, Charedia or the like - they are subject to the girl being teased. I was thinking Temima, which means complete, but even that's not good in Israel - it means naive. Yeshara? Maybe - she could still be teased. Tova is pretty safe. Tehila means praiseworthy, sort of.
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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 03 2009, 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: re: using a translation name instead
 
Mrs Bissli wrote:

Literal English translation would be Faith, which is not uncommon but new-ageish and probably a bit too goyish.


If it means Faith (though I'm not sure), you could use Emunah, which is used in Israel.

Did I ever mention that I think Temima is a really awful name (I think I once discussed it here). It is so cute for a baby, and positively horrible for a gangly teenager or a 40 year old. One of my dds had a girl in gan with a name along the same lines - Tohar (purity) - really, who can carry such a name once they do an aveira here and there?
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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 03 2009, 7:07 pm    Post subject: Re: re: using a translation name instead
 
shalhevet wrote:
Mrs Bissli wrote:

Literal English translation would be Faith, which is not uncommon but new-ageish and probably a bit too goyish.


If it means Faith (though I'm not sure), you could use Emunah, which is used in Israel.

Did I ever mention that I think Temima is a really awful name (I think I once discussed it here). It is so cute for a baby, and positively horrible for a gangly teenager or a 40 year old. One of my dds had a girl in gan with a name along the same lines - Tohar (purity) - really, who can carry such a name once they do an aveira here and there?


I'm going to name my next baby Perfection. No pressure though.
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PostPosted: Tue, Nov 03 2009, 7:21 pm    Post subject: re: using a translation name instead
 
Why don't you just use Fruma as a middle name? You can add any first name you like and call her by that name, but at least you have given a "nod" to the family name. I would do it, especially if the first name is one of significance, like one of the Imahos, or a tzaddekes, like Tziporah, Moshe's wife. You can even use it as a first name, but call her by the second name, ex: Fruma Leah. I know many boys that have 2 or 3 names and are called by one of the middle names.

Hope that helps you out!
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PostPosted: Wed, Nov 04 2009, 8:58 am    Post subject: Re: re: using a translation name instead
 
Ruchel wrote:
Use a second or third name, or use Chasida, or a form (Frima, Frimet, Frumtshe etc)?


How about Chasya?

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Did I ever mention that I think Temima is a really awful name (I think I once discussed it here). It is so cute for a baby, and positively horrible for a gangly teenager or a 40 year old.


I know a few Temimas who are really nice, so I like the name.
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PostPosted: Wed, Nov 04 2009, 9:02 am    Post subject: Re: re: using a translation name instead
 
amother wrote:
to start a new topic, how guilty should I feel if noone ever names after her? its been more than 20 years and counting.
not just because we dont like the name, but also because of what we've heard about her personality.

If you don't like a name and you "must" give it because she was a very close relative, some people would add a name or change it somehow. But why do YOU feel you "must" name after her? If you didn't like her personality, why would you give your child a name after such a person?
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PostPosted: Wed, Nov 04 2009, 9:20 am    Post subject: Re: re: using a translation name instead
 
shalhevet wrote:
Did I ever mention that I think Temima is a really awful name (I think I once discussed it here). It is so cute for a baby, and positively horrible for a gangly teenager or a 40 year old. One of my dds had a girl in gan with a name along the same lines - Tohar (purity) - really, who can carry such a name once they do an aveira here and there?


You might want to consider toning down the scorn and distaste here.
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PostPosted: Wed, Nov 04 2009, 9:54 am    Post subject: Re: re: using a translation name instead
 
shalhevet wrote:
Mrs Bissli wrote:

Literal English translation would be Faith, which is not uncommon but new-ageish and probably a bit too goyish.


If it means Faith (though I'm not sure), you could use Emunah, which is used in Israel.

Did I ever mention that I think Temima is a really awful name (I think I once discussed it here). It is so cute for a baby, and positively horrible for a gangly teenager or a 40 year old. One of my dds had a girl in gan with a name along the same lines - Tohar (purity) - really, who can carry such a name once they do an aveira here and there?


What's wrong with Temima? I'm due Shavuos, have no family girl names and was considering Temima as in Toras Hashem temima.
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