I can trace my lineage

amother

Sun, Oct 17 2010, 10:07 pm

Please, please contain your excitement ladies, but I am descended from THREE Mayflower passengers.

Another branch goes back to the 1400's in Kent, England.

Again, please hold back your admiration, if you can.

Wink

PinkFridge

Mon, Oct 18 2010, 7:15 am

amother wrote:

So what. We were moved in a Mayflower truck ;-)
Actually, I think that is pretty interesting. Do you have any genealogists in your family to trace the unbroken chain?

saw50st8

Mon, Oct 18 2010, 7:36 am

Raisin wrote:

I've got chassidim on one side of my family tree, yekkes on the other. some of them were probably pretty chareidi, I imagine. some I know were not.

I'm trying but failing to see what point you are making.

Hey me too! Well, my great-great grandfather or something was close to the Satmar Rebbe. I'm 50% Yekke (on my mother's side).

I am solidly MO though LOL.

amother

Mon, Oct 18 2010, 7:43 am

PinkFridge wrote:

amother wrote:

So what. We were moved in a Mayflower truck ;-)
Actually, I think that is pretty interesting. Do you have any genealogists in your family to trace the unbroken chain?

LOL...
yes, I did the research back to a certain point, and there's a Mayflower society that has traced several generations after, so I linked them up. That's my yichus, LOL.

Ruchel

Mon, Oct 18 2010, 8:16 am

amother wrote:

On one side my lineage ca be traced back to King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella.

Who themselves had shameful Jewish ancestry! LOL

PinkFridge

Mon, Oct 18 2010, 8:59 am

Ruchel wrote:

amother wrote:

On one side my lineage ca be traced back to King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella.

Who themselves had shameful Jewish ancestry! LOL

I didn't know they had Jewish ancestry. I guess they were the onesh for the shameful part.
And amother and her family the sechar for the pintele yid in those ancestors.

Ruchel

Mon, Oct 18 2010, 9:08 am

PinkFridge wrote:

Ruchel wrote:

amother wrote:

On one side my lineage ca be traced back to King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella.

Who themselves had shameful Jewish ancestry! LOL

I didn't know they had Jewish ancestry. I guess they were the onesh for the shameful part.
And amother and her family the sechar for the pintele yid in those ancestors.

So many of the people around them, the most rabid anti semites, had Jewish blood. The criteria for "having Jewish blood" were carefully decided to NOT include any of them by an Inquisitor who himself had a Jewish great grandparent Rolling Eyes

In the mean time, they still had (more distant) Jewish cousins and there is historical proof they were aware of that... Other "interesting" people were in the same case like Godfrey of Bouillon, Charlemagne, and others http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.....names

shosh

Mon, Oct 18 2010, 9:48 am

Isabella was the direct descendant of Maria de Padilla, a mistress of Pedro the Cruel, King of Castile. She was a Jewish woman who converted to Catholicism and her children were later legitimised. It's even possible that Isabella was halachically Jewish, if it went through the female line. And other branches of the family also had Jewish connections.

louche

Mon, Oct 18 2010, 11:33 am

If I had any recognizable yichus, which I have not, I would deny it. If I had it, I would have to live up to it, and I vastly prefer to live up to my own expectations rather than other people's expectations of me based upon who my antecedents were.

Though of course, being Jewish, we're all saddled with other people's expectations of us based on who our antecedents were.