why the fear of vaccinating at 16 if the child is healthy?

gp2.0

Thu, Oct 30 2014, 10:14 am

chani8 wrote:

But polio should be dead in the US, shouldn't it? Seriously asking. Non-vaxers say that the govt keeps it alive by giving live vaccines.

Polio is "dead" in the US - however as the recent Ebola scare is proving, worldwide eradication of a disease is necessary for true complete protection from the disease.

Smallpox was successfully eradicated worldwide. Ergo, no more routine smallpox vaccine.

As for the OPs question - sadly many people live their lives on fear-based decisions rather than on logic-based decisions. Our fears have helped protect us for thousands of years. The trick is to figure out when your fear is protecting you and when it's stunting your progress.

anon for this

Thu, Oct 30 2014, 10:25 am

chani8 wrote:

Back to OP's question, maybe this article about a 12 year old will help you to understand why some people are just not willing to take the risk:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new......html

The Waukesha County medical examiner determined that her death was caused by toxic levels of an ingredient found in Benadryl.

http://fox6now.com/2014/10/22/.....girl/

amother

Thu, Oct 30 2014, 10:25 am

I was a healthy adult a few years ago. The doctor said: ""You're healthy; what's your worry?''
I consented. And will forever regret the day I consented. My central nervous system has been permanently affected.
Being healthy is not a guarantee that one will remain unaffected by the introduction of substance into one's body. The body mounts an attack on the injected substance and there is no way to predict who will prevail in that attack Sad

One can only understand that which one has experienced. Until then, it is wise to trust that others have valid reasons for behaving as they do.

anon for this

Thu, Oct 30 2014, 10:31 am

chani8 wrote:

But polio should be dead in the US, shouldn't it? Seriously asking. Non-vaxers say that the govt keeps it alive by giving live vaccines.

From what I understand, live polio vaccines are only given in areas where polio is still endemic. Otherwise inactivated polio vaccines are given. Can you cite any countries/ states without active polio that mandate the live vaccine?

anon for this

Thu, Oct 30 2014, 10:51 am

chani8 wrote:

Back to OP's question, maybe this article about a 12 year old will help you to understand why some people are just not willing to take the risk:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new......html

The Waukesha County medical examiner determined that her death was caused by toxic levels of an ingredient found in Benadryl.

http://fox6now.com/2014/10/22/.....girl/

Quoting myself to add this:
When I searched Meredith Proshaska's name on google, most of the sites in the first 3 pages linked her death to the HPV vaccine. Her death was mentioned on many anti-vaccine websites and by a few anti-vaccine attorneys as proof of the dangers of vaccines in general, and the HPV vaccine in particular. Yet, as the medical examiner determined, her death had nothing to do with the vaccine. (The sleepiness her mother reported may have been due to the medication as well).

If I turn into a newt shortly after getting the flu vaccine, it might be because of the vaccine. Or it might be because I met a witch.

chani8

Thu, Oct 30 2014, 10:58 am

anon for this wrote:

The Waukesha County medical examiner determined that her death was caused by toxic levels of an ingredient found in Benadryl.

http://fox6now.com/2014/10/22/.....girl/

How do we know that the toxic ingredient isn't also found in the vaccine? Pro-vaccers have a list a mile long detailing the toxic substances in vaccines. Was that ingredient one of them?

anon for this

Thu, Oct 30 2014, 11:11 am

chani8 wrote:

How do we know that the toxic ingredient isn't also found in the vaccine? Pro-vaccers have a list a mile long detailing the toxic substances in vaccines. Was that ingredient one of them?

Meredith Prohaska died of an overdose of diphenhydramine, an ingredient found in Benadryl and other OTC medicines. Diphenhydramine is not toxic in therapeutic doses, and is not found in the HPV vaccine at all. (source: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pu.....2.pdf).

This article describes the autopsy results in more detail.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/h......html

In short, there is no evidence that Meredith's tragic death is related to the HPV vaccine.

chani8

Thu, Oct 30 2014, 11:13 am

anon for this wrote:

I'm not sure, but I think Israel gives the live vaccine despite no cases of active polio. Anyone know?

MaBelleVie

Thu, Oct 30 2014, 11:16 am

chani8 wrote:

I'm not sure, but I think Israel gives the live vaccine despite no cases of active polio. Anyone know?

No they don't. When they discovered polio in the sewage they reinstituted it but then stopped.

Scrabble123

Thu, Oct 30 2014, 11:21 am

I really am trying to stay out of these threads as much as possible, but I'll tell you that someone once told me that she believes that the gov't uses vaccines to monitor its citizens. I thought she was a lone wolf until I started repeating the comment and saw that others agreed with her. She is ivy league educated and holds a PhD in one of the sciences. Seriously? Injecting a monitoring device? Sounds very X-Files-like.

I think that vaccines are one of the most incredible discoveries in science, and that the progression of them will greatly impact our futures. I feel truly blessed to have been born in a time when we BH had these available and to not have had to suffer though and/or witness others suffering with polio, measles, and other such diseases.

m in Israel

Thu, Oct 30 2014, 11:24 am

chani8 wrote:

I'm not sure, but I think Israel gives the live vaccine despite no cases of active polio. Anyone know?

Not as part of the routine vaccine schedule since 2003. When they found it in the sewage they started a campaign ("shtei tipot") to try to get everyone to bring in their kids who were born in 2003 or later to get the oral vaccine as a preventive measure. I don't think they are doing that campaign anymore, and for the regular vaccine schedule they still use the IPV (the "dead" vaccine).

amother

Thu, Oct 30 2014, 11:27 am

anon for this wrote:

It is public knowledge that medical examiners falsify information when it is in someone's best interests...

Scrabble123

Thu, Oct 30 2014, 11:30 am

Chani8. There is no longer any OPV (live polio drink/vaccine) in the US as part of the standard vaccination status.

There are doctors and scientists in the US who are using the OPV to treat aggressive cancerous brain tumors that are not responsive to chemo or radiation with a lot of success BH.

Barbara

Thu, Oct 30 2014, 11:35 am

amother wrote:

It is public knowledge that medical examiners falsify information when it is in someone's best interests...

Since it is "public knowledge," please provide citations from peer-reviewed publications. Also provide lists of prosecutions and convictions for falsification of public records.

chani8

Thu, Oct 30 2014, 11:36 am

anon for this wrote:

The girl died within 6 hours of getting the vaccine. After my own child's near death was covered up, I just can't let go of the possibility of a cover up here, too. That's my problem, I understand. So I googled to see if there were any other deaths from that vaccine and found this, about the HPV:

http://www.trueactivist.com/it.....ions/

Thank you for linking to that vaccine ingredients list, because no vaccine conversation is complete without pointing out some of the ingredients: Formaldehyde, bovine albumin, MRC-5 (human diploid) cells, aluminum phosphate, aluminum hydroxide, MSG, detergent, fetal bovine serum, vero cells [DNA from porcine (pig) circoviruses...]

chani8

Thu, Oct 30 2014, 11:38 am

m in Israel wrote:

Thank you and MaBelleVie. I just want to point out here that they freaked out and made us give the live vaccine based on the sewer water not on any known cases.

amother

Thu, Oct 30 2014, 11:47 am

chani8 wrote:

Thank you for linking to that vaccine ingredients list, because no vaccine conversation is complete without pointing out some of the ingredients: Formaldehyde, bovine albumin, MRC-5 (human diploid) cells, aluminum phosphate, aluminum hydroxide, MSG, detergent, fetal bovine serum, vero cells [DNA from porcine (pig) circoviruses...]

Is there something wrong about these ingredients? They're basically all natural.

Barbara

Thu, Oct 30 2014, 11:50 am

chani8 wrote:

Please explain the problems with each of the ingredients that you list. Articles from peer-reviewed journals are preferred.

Formaldehyde, for example, is a normal part of the human metabolism.

Thanks.

chani8

Thu, Oct 30 2014, 11:51 am

amother wrote:

Is there something wrong about these ingredients? They're basically all natural.

Of course.

ETA - Barbara, really? They're really gross. And potentially toxic.

And what about the fact that they give the same vaccine dose to a teen as they give to a tiny baby?

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