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Post Mon, Jan 25 2016, 10:09 pm
amother wrote:
Ok. Welcome. I didnt mean to be uninviting. I just dont like imamother to be a forum for sales or people pushing items without approval from Yael.

100% agree!
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seeker




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Jan 26 2016, 12:17 am
I think I posted earlier in this thread but I don't have time to go sifting through the whole thing, I just want to weigh in on the last page which happened today.

In full disclosure, I am a provider for some methods that supplement learning, including Fast ForWord. I work with children who have a variety of learning difficulties, I make a point of trying to investigate any methods that may be of interest to them, and when I find something I like that is not hard to integrate into my practice, I adopt it. I don't push any agenda and I turn away more clients than I accept because I would rather help a person access the right kind of help than waste their time and money (and often the time is a bigger investment than the money) on something that is a poor fit. Numerous imamother members have contacted me in this capacity and can confirm that I know my limitations and simply try to share information.

I have not seen any third-party research on the program that NeuroLinks uses so I can't report on that. Personally I would not use it for my child because it demands a tremendous amount of time, energy, and money, so while I am not saying that the program isn't good or doesn't work, and the reasoning about it seems sound enough, I would spend that amount of time and money only with a very well-established specialist.

Fast ForWord does have strong third-party research including some peer-reviewed published studies. It has been shown to be effective in certain measures, notably including similar brain-scan changes to other effective reading interventions. It is not necessarily better than working with a GOOD reading specialist/program and/or speech therapist (for auditory processing and phonological issues.) However that does make it a good choice for people who may not have access to good reading and speech therapy. Consider that a full course of Fast ForWord could cost about $1000 which would probably get you about 10 hours with a reading specialist, which is not enough time to see the same level of progress. Plus, it can be done from home and in remote locations. That's just one factor that goes into deciding whether Fast ForWord is an appropriate option for a specific child, I would look at other things too such as what they've done already, what the child's current functioning, strengths, and weaknesses are, what other help is available to them, etc.
(and @SLP amother, it does include phonics)

In summary, I would say that the best thing is personal, one-to-one work with someone really good, but programs such as fast forword can be a good supplement to that, and in the absence of a proven expert interventionist, it provides better quality control than a random tutor has.

Another point I want to make is that if someone does something like vision therapy and it does not result in total reading improvement, it doesn't mean that the vision therapy was a scam. It may just mean that there were more or other factors interfering with the child's reading. Maybe there are fraudulent vision therapists out there too, but I do know kids who were helped by vision therapy and even more who were only helped by the combination of vision and other therapies because there were multiple pieces to their puzzle. I don't think I personally know any miracle stories of "couldn't read before, reading perfectly after" for vision therapy but there is a phenomenon of "it was harder before and easier after" which is not unimportant.

To momesq sounds like dyslexia. Were your private tutors and P3 providers well-versed in specific methods for dyslexia? If she is still getting P3 then I highly recommend looking for a more specialized provider. Go back to the DOE and get her IEP changed to specify that her service should be provided by a reading specialist. You may want to get an advocate for that. And if you're requesting a reading specialist by P3 (which is actually called P4 now but everyone's still saying P3 so whatever) then be prepared to also advocate for enhanced rate because otherwise you'll never find one. Solid methods include Orton-Gillingham, Wilson Reading Program (an offshoot of OG), Lindamood-Bell has a great name, and I've heard good things about this Ribowsky but I don't know that her technique has internationally researched recognition like the others do. Don't know, doesn't mean not. And yes I would consider giving ffw a try if it's practical for you because as I said above it can possibly net similar results in an easier-to-access way. You said "no processing issue," can I assume that means you've had auditory processing ruled out by a specialist? If you don't want to shell out big bucks for that go to a university like SUNY or Touro. (btw the reason the OG people would say their program would for sure work is because it is one of the top proven methods for treating reading disabilities. But I don't know if your OG tutor was really well trained or just took a workshop or two. I also don't know how often and intensively she worked with you. Even though it is known to work it can take a really long time for some people. And nothing has a 100% success rate.)
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momesq




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Jan 26 2016, 1:36 am
Definitely not dyslexia. I'm not against someone raving over good results if they've seen it. One of my Children was 100% cured with vision therapy and all I could do was rave about the vision therapy route. Only after DD saw little results did I change my point of view. So someone can be very happy with it I just don't think those programs are for plain struggling readers.
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seeker




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Jan 26 2016, 1:47 am
What does "definitely not dyslexia" mean? Is the child 3 years behind grade level in reading with no other explanation, or not? Please clarify.
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momesq




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Jan 26 2016, 3:28 am
We had a full eval done by the vision therapist who said it was convergence insufficiency not dyslexia plus quite a fewBOE evals and many tutors we worked with and no one said that this is the cause of the issues. No one can pinpoint exactly what the cause is it if it was dyslexia it would have bee identified already.
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5*Mom




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Jan 26 2016, 5:15 am
Seeker's comprehensive post above was excellent.
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seeker




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Nov 08 2016, 1:52 pm
Hi all!

With Yael's permission, I wanted to let you know that there is currently a great deal available on Fast ForWord. I know a lot of people have considered the potential benefits but held back due to the cost. I've been talking about this issue with the company that makes the program and together we figured out how to combine some different ideas to bring the cost lower than it has ever gone before.

I always try to work out reasonable payment plans but this specific deal comes from the parent company so I'm only able to offer it to people who register this month. If you or someone you know is looking for this kind of opportunity, please have them contact me ASAP to hear about the details. You can use the contact form on my website, which is in my profile here.

Wishing everyone hatzlocha in finding help and healing for all your difficulties.
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Leah Kahn




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Nov 21 2016, 6:53 pm
I used Fast ForWord on two of my kids and it changed their lives I have many friends that also used it. If you want more information I can help you, but by the rules of this imamother website I can't give you info that might be seen as an advertising for them, so please contact me at dandavkay016@gmail.com, and tell me an email I can contact you.
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seeker




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Nov 21 2016, 6:58 pm
If you're not selling anything and just talking about how it helped your kids, I don't see how that would be a problem.
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seeker




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Dec 05 2016, 2:05 am
I posted before about a sale on Fast ForWord and just wanted to let you know that this is the last week to order on this sale. They run sales VERY VERY infrequently so if you're considering the program and have concerns about the price, please message me as soon as you can!

[edited due to error]
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