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If frum magazines include pictures of women?
I already subscribe and will keep my subscription
 45%  [ 75 ]
I already subscribe and will cancel my subscription
 5%  [ 9 ]
I do not subscribe and will start subscribing
 9%  [ 15 ]
I buy occassionally and will continue to buy
 24%  [ 41 ]
I buy occassionally and will stop buying
 3%  [ 6 ]
I never buy but willl start buying occassionally
 11%  [ 19 ]
Total Votes : 165


amother




Azure


Post  Sun, Mar 19 2017, 12:55 pm
How about 'I never buy them and still wouldn't buy them'? Talk to me when their writers attend a few years of seriously schooling in journalism and general writing skills...I would be so happy to read about pertinent frum topics in a way that doesn't make me feel like I'm reading 5th grade book reports.
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amother




Aqua


Post  Sun, Mar 19 2017, 2:58 pm
gold21 wrote:
Imamother taps into a very right wing audience, I think.


Lol. Perhaps the audience, but not most of the posters. (Aside from the fact that there are also many right wing people who choose not to have internet at home.)
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amother




Jetblack


Post  Mon, Mar 20 2017, 2:52 pm
there are many frum women living with addicts for husbands. so no I don't think I would want magazines with women in it.
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Roots









  


Post  Mon, Mar 20 2017, 3:53 pm
my husband is not a s-xual weirdo. and its fine if I bring pics f women home.
but from a chareidi magazine to put pics of women, its just not right, I would NOT want to buy it..
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groisamomma









  


Post  Mon, Mar 20 2017, 6:38 pm
fmt4 wrote:
I feel really really bad for women who would not buy a magazine if there was a picture of a woman in it. I can't imagine having so little faith in my husband, or a husband with so little self control. I can't imagine viewing the female form with such fear and disgust. I can't imagine being so brainwashed that I actually become complicit in the effort to demean and erase women, to support the idea that their faces are inherently dangerous to our society.

I am truly sorry for you.


I feel really, really bad for insecure people that come down so strong on others that choose to be more machmir in shmiras aynayim, whatever their reason. It's sad that there are really posters here that feel the need to demean these women with posts full of disgust and to post words which refer to their husbands as having "so little self control" and deciding that because they are machmir they must view "the female form with such fear and disgust" as well as trying to imagine aloud how they are so "brainwashed" that they "become complicit in the effort to demean and erase women."

If your post doesn't demean others, I don't know what does. How rude. I am truly sorry for your insecurities. How relieving it must be to shout to the world that you are so lucky to have a husband with so much self control and in whom you have so much faith.

Signed,
A woman that reads any and all magazines, secular and Judaic, but doesn't care or judge others that decide to do differently, and certainly doesn't feel the need to shout from the rooftops how wonderful my marriage is and to sow seeds of disgust in the hearts of other women towards their husbands that must have "so little self control."
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dancingqueen









  


Post  Mon, Mar 20 2017, 7:36 pm
I'm finding this thread interesting in light of the Brazilian thread. So there I learned it's expected that young yeshivish men will watch porn and women should groom themselves to live up to these expectations. But a completely tznius headshot of a very frum woman is beyond the pale in ultra orthodox home and men and their wives cannot handle it. It's an odd dichotomy.
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tigerwife









  


Post  Mon, Mar 20 2017, 7:51 pm
dancingqueen wrote:
I'm finding this thread interesting in light of the Brazilian thread. So there I learned it's expected that young yeshivish men will watch porn and women should groom themselves to live up to these expectations. But a completely tznius headshot of a very frum woman is beyond the pale in ultra orthodox home and men and their wives cannot handle it. It's an odd dichotomy.


Fascinating how you believe these ideas are entertained by the same people. And gosh, not sure which thread you are talking about but 馃あ - far from common.
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MagentaYenta









  


Post  Mon, Mar 20 2017, 8:03 pm
dancingqueen wrote:
I'm finding this thread interesting in light of the Brazilian thread. So there I learned it's expected that young yeshivish men will watch porn and women should groom themselves to live up to these expectations. But a completely tznius headshot of a very frum woman is beyond the pale in ultra orthodox home and men and their wives cannot handle it. It's an odd dichotomy.


This^
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dancingqueen









  


Post  Mon, Mar 20 2017, 8:58 pm
tigerwife wrote:
Fascinating how you believe these ideas are entertained by the same people. And gosh, not sure which thread you are talking about but 馃あ - far from common.


It's one of the Brazilian threads from today, and was confirmed there by some yeshivish posters. I don't make this stuff up...
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smile12345









  


Post  Mon, Mar 20 2017, 9:21 pm
dancingqueen wrote:
I'm finding this thread interesting in light of the Brazilian thread. So there I learned it's expected that young yeshivish men will watch porn and women should groom themselves to live up to these expectations.


Excuse me?

That post regarding porn and Brazilian didn't even mention the word Yeshivish. It was one poster and she only used the word frum. (Unless you are trying to imply that only Yeshivish people are frum.)

And even if they would have said Yeshivish, why would you choose to listen to the words of one poster to label an entire community?
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dancingqueen









  


Post  Mon, Mar 20 2017, 10:21 pm
smile12345 wrote:
Excuse me?

That post regarding porn and Brazilian didn't even mention the word Yeshivish. It was one poster and she only used the word frum. (Unless you are trying to imply that only Yeshivish people are frum.)

And even if they would have said Yeshivish, why would you choose to listen to the words of one poster to label an entire community?


The area being referenced is a yeshivish area and posters who have self identified as yeshivish confirmed. I don't know it could be other rw communities as well that have a similar dichotomy but that's what I gleaned from that thread.
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sky









  


Post  Mon, Mar 20 2017, 10:50 pm
So if someone in a predominantly mo community asked a similar question it would be safe to assume many young mo men watch porn?
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amother




Coral


Post  Tue, Mar 21 2017, 3:04 am
sky wrote:
So if someone in a predominantly mo community asked a similar question it would be safe to assume many young mo men watch porn?


Well no. Obviously. If you would say that you'd be called dumb or lacking intelligence or thinking skills. It only works to say it if it's about a yeshivish person.
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amother




Seagreen


Post  Tue, Mar 21 2017, 3:28 am
amother wrote:
Well no. Obviously. If you would say that you'd be called dumb or lacking intelligence or thinking skills. It only works to say it if it's about a yeshivish person.


In fairness, I don't think it was a criticism of a particular group. I think her point was that even if you erase women from frum magazines, someone who wants to find inappropriate images will find them. Keeping women out of magazines doesn't prevent bad behavior.
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lucky14









  


Post  Tue, Mar 21 2017, 8:30 am
groisamomma wrote:
I feel really, really bad for insecure people that come down so strong on others that choose to be more machmir in shmiras aynayim, whatever their reason. It's sad that there are really posters here that feel the need to demean these women with posts full of disgust and to post words which refer to their husbands as having "so little self control" and deciding that because they are machmir they must view "the female form with such fear and disgust" as well as trying to imagine aloud how they are so "brainwashed" that they "become complicit in the effort to demean and erase women."

If your post doesn't demean others, I don't know what does. How rude. I am truly sorry for your insecurities. How relieving it must be to shout to the world that you are so lucky to have a husband with so much self control and in whom you have so much faith.

Signed,
A woman that reads any and all magazines, secular and Judaic, but doesn't care or judge others that decide to do differently, and certainly doesn't feel the need to shout from the rooftops how wonderful my marriage is and to sow seeds of disgust in the hearts of other women towards their husbands that must have "so little self control."


agreed
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lucky14









  


Post  Tue, Mar 21 2017, 8:35 am
cnc wrote:
I just read the actual petition.


what petition?
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dancingqueen









  


Post  Tue, Mar 21 2017, 8:48 am
sky wrote:
So if someone in a predominantly mo community asked a similar question it would be safe to assume many young mo men watch porn?


If an mo poster said that mo kallah teachers encourage kalahs to get Brazilians because the guys watch porn and have that expectation and several mo posters agreed then you could presume that that might be true. Whatever I hope it's not true either, pretty weird right?
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dancingqueen









  


Post  Tue, Mar 21 2017, 8:51 am
amother wrote:
In fairness, I don't think it was a criticism of a particular group. I think her point was that even if you erase women from frum magazines, someone who wants to find inappropriate images will find them. Keeping women out of magazines doesn't prevent bad behavior.
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My point was that if it's accepted that men will see the most inappropriate pictures of women possible, but any tznius picture of a rebetzin can't be in a frum home that only sends the message that women can only be relations objects. They exist to be titilating to men and that makes me sad.
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sky









  


Post  Tue, Mar 21 2017, 9:20 am
dancingqueen wrote:
If an mo poster said that mo kallah teachers encourage kalahs to get Brazilians because the guys watch porn and have that expectation and several mo posters agreed then you could presume that that might be true. Whatever I hope it's not true either, pretty weird right?


Maybe we are thinking about different threads. the latest Brazilian Lakewood thread did not mention.

A. yeshivish
B. porn.
C. Kallah Teachers
D. General Expectations.

It was one person asking about Brazilian waxes.

You extrapolated that if a man in Lakewood wants his wife to get a Brazilian wax he must:
A. Be Yeshivish
B. Watch Porn
C. Kallah teachers encourage it

What a way to mess with the poor womens head.
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ally









  


Post  Tue, Mar 21 2017, 10:41 am
groisamomma wrote:
I feel really, really bad for insecure people that come down so strong on others that choose to be more machmir in shmiras aynayim, whatever their reason. It's sad that there are really posters here that feel the need to demean these women with posts full of disgust and to post words which refer to their husbands as having "so little self control" and deciding that because they are machmir they must view "the female form with such fear and disgust" as well as trying to imagine aloud how they are so "brainwashed" that they "become complicit in the effort to demean and erase women."

If your post doesn't demean others, I don't know what does. How rude. I am truly sorry for your insecurities. How relieving it must be to shout to the world that you are so lucky to have a husband with so much self control and in whom you have so much faith.

Signed,
A woman that reads any and all magazines, secular and Judaic, but doesn't care or judge others that decide to do differently, and certainly doesn't feel the need to shout from the rooftops how wonderful my marriage is and to sow seeds of disgust in the hearts of other women towards their husbands that must have "so little self control."


Your post makes sense if you consider shmiras einayim a chok.
fmt4 is talking about shmiras einayim as a geder.
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