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amother
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Post Sun, Jan 21 2018, 11:50 pm
I was born and bred in Brooklyn. And lived there for 39 years. Brooklyn has all types, most are just in their own world, stick to their own and don't bother other people. And that is snobby. They pass others on shabbos and don't say good shabbos. It's a city. Everyone has their own family and doesn't worry about others. And I'm living in Lakewood for 3 years. It's basically the same.

I think because I'm from chasidish background I feel it more. I felt it in Brooklyn. I feel it here too because I don't live in a developement.

Everyone is busy going to work and just into their own family and won't take a minute to care about others. It's a very painful subject to me it hurts me deeply. I wish people would realize how much it hurts. That it's everyone's responsibility to stop it because so many people feel hurt
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amother
Cerise


 

Post Sun, Jan 21 2018, 11:58 pm
The way I see it - Brooklyn is a location, not a community.

If you have the expectation of community, you will definitely be disappointed.

You can move here, live here for years, and easily not meet anyone, let alone make friends.

Sad, but true.
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amother
Red


 

Post Mon, Jan 22 2018, 12:08 am
amother wrote:
Who's being snobby here?


I'm 100% snob! Fully admit it. Just not a Brooklyn snob.
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amother
Ginger


 

Post Mon, Jan 22 2018, 12:15 am
And the comment someone gave about returning the toy and not being thanked, is so true. It's sad but true. I remember when I moved from one neighborhood to another one person bought me a piece of cake that was very nice. And I moved to a block with tons and tons of neighbors. They were super not friendly. I felt extremely unwelcome.

And most people were chasidish. Again, it's a city so automatically people are a little more aggressive. People,are not friendly. There is a reason brooklyners have that name. I came from there and totally agree with all who say so. People look you up and down to see what your wearing, judge you on your clothes. It's nauseous when I think of it. It's all about how you look, not about who you are
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amother
Aquamarine


 

Post Mon, Jan 22 2018, 12:07 pm
amother wrote:
If that is how you feel about your children's school perhaps you should consider changing.

Wherever you will live if you don't care to fit in you will be the odd one out.You were always joking about people who dressed differently from you. Why do you expect them not to notice people who dress differently from them?



It's not specific to my kids schools, it's in every school and every Brooklyn camp...even when my kids go outside of Brooklyn for camp, the Brooklyn bunks are the worse. My Ds goes to school oot and the Brooklyn boys give him the most trouble.
My kids don't dress oddly, they are very put together, we are just not into trends. Thankfully my dd's friends are like that too. I'm just saying my life was easier outside of Brooklyn.
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hotzenplotz




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Jan 24 2018, 10:50 am
There is a famous line from Reb Moshe Feinstein wherein he says that one of the reasons
people did not raise frum children is because they "krechtzed" how hard it was tzu zein a yid!
(to be a yid).
People who say nasty things about other Jewish communities should first think about what affect it will have on their children's self perception as frum Jews.
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amother
Taupe


 

Post Wed, Jan 24 2018, 11:06 am
amother wrote:
It’s shlumpy. Because convenience and your sanity is not worth the possibility of people thinking poorly of you...
I was told I needed a different coat or people wouldn’t want to associate with me. It wasn’t bright yellow- just not standard type of black coat. I went for warmth and convenience over the thin popular style.


There are many pretty sleek baby carriers and they are useful especially with many children. So weird that they are taboo.
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Fox




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Jan 24 2018, 1:27 pm
Ah, Brooklyn! Some of Brooklyn's reputational problems are rooted in relatively recent history -- just not history that a lot of Imamothers recall. Other problems involve having one's cake and eating it, too.

Sorry to say, but 40 years ago, many of the negative stereotypes about Brooklynites believing their borough was at the center of the universe were true. This was before the deregulation of airfares, and people simply didn't travel. Even Lakewood and Monsey were considered "big moves" in most circles. I recall during a trip in the early 80s that plenty of people asked me condescendingly whether there were any shuls in Chicago; whether anyone observed kashrus; and wasn't it nice to come to NY to see other Jewish people. And these weren't people living in highly insular kehillas -- these were relatively worldly folks.

For those of you under 30, that level of provincialism and the reputation it spawned is probably unfathomable. Even the same extended family members who asked me in 1980 about the presence of cowboys and Indians in Chicago ("No, we have Cubs and Bears.") have broadened their horizons almost unimaginably. Their kids and grandkids simply don't have that kind of mindset. Unfortunately, it takes a while for reputations to fade.

However, part of the problem is one of their own making. New Yorkers in general kind of like their reputation as assertive, in-your-face, no-quarter-given-none-taken kinds of people. Really, you can't have an official street sign saying, "fuhgeddaboudit" and then complain when people don't perceive you as all warm and cuddly or even characterize you as somewhat cold. The fact that warm and cuddly NYers have to live with a reputation they neither want nor endorse is obviously unfair, but then, a lot of people think Chicago suffers from windy weather.

Many of the complaints I hear about Brooklyn are really complaints about any community that has reached a critical mass. Sociologists actually identify how large a group can become before sub-groups gain more importance and conformity within those sub-groups becomes an important demonstration of membership.

As my own community has grown over the last 30 years, I am seeing some of the same trends emerging. The other bubbes sit with me at simchas and shake our heads, but we know it's inevitable. However, I do try to speak up when I hear the kinds of things that used to offend us so much when NYers said them. "Las Vegas? Is there a frum community in Las Vegas? Is there a shul? What about kosher food?" I usually roll my eyes and say, "No, they live on Scotch and just make a minyan outside the Britney Spears show every evening."
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