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Rabbi Levin is 100% RIGHT about Maimonides Hospital!
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manhattanmom




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Dec 14 2009, 11:26 pm
Thanks Mama Bear--
And I'll keep his radio show time in the back of my head for the times I have absolutely nothing else to do between 12 and 1am on Sunday nights....
Wait, I'm sometimes folding laundry then--so maybe I will listen...
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Mevater




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Dec 14 2009, 11:29 pm
manhattanmom wrote:
Thanks Mama Bear--
And I'll keep his radio show time in the back of my head for the times I have absolutely nothing else to do between 12 and 1am on Sunday nights....
Wait, I'm sometimes folding laundry then--so maybe I will listen...
Proceed with caution- he might pull at your heart-strings (The Gadol Rav Avigdor Miller a"h would feel/do/say same! He wasn't ever ready willing or able to kiss up to any politician and vote any which way, just for a program for financial gain, if he didnt agree with the politician's views. If it's right, it's right, and if it's wrong, it's wrong. Rabbi Levin is just a more outspoken Rav Avigdor Miller a"h, with the exact opinions! I don't think they ever disagreed on anything. )
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manhattanmom




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Dec 14 2009, 11:47 pm
Mevater wrote:
manhattanmom wrote:
Thanks Mama Bear--
And I'll keep his radio show time in the back of my head for the times I have absolutely nothing else to do between 12 and 1am on Sunday nights....
Wait, I'm sometimes folding laundry then--so maybe I will listen...
Proceed with caution- he might pull at your heart-strings (The Gadol Rav Avigdor Miller a"h would feel/do/say same! He wasn't ever ready willing or able to kiss up to any politician and vote any which way, just for a program for financial gain, if he didnt agree with the politician's views. If it's right, it's right, and if it's wrong, it's wrong. Rabbi Levin is just a more outspoken Rav Avigdor Miller a"h, with the exact opinions! I don't think they ever disagreed on anything. )


I guess my sarcasm didn't come across strong enough. Do you think I wouldn't ever be able to find something else to do at that hour (like, um, sleeping??) I have tremendous respect for R' Avigdor Miller zt"l but I can never ever ever listen to someone like this guy--someone who just rants and rants about things that should be done that will never get to be done anyway. I happen to be quite conservative in my political beliefs but he appears just to be over the top-too irrational.
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Mevater




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Dec 14 2009, 11:55 pm
manhattanmom wrote:
I have tremendous respect for R' Avigdor Miller zt"l but I can never ever ever listen to someone like this guy--someone who just rants and rants about things that should be done that will never get to be done anyway. I happen to be quite conservative in my political beliefs but he appears just to be over the top-too irrational.
I'm not a fan of his style of delivery, but I am very much a fan of his message/ideology/R' Avigdor Miller.
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Mama Bear




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Dec 15 2009, 12:19 am
I listen to his show often and it riles me up. I am not pro gay rights but that doesnt define my life or whom I vote for. I have a lot more important things on my plate than worrying about 2 guys wanting to get married. Id ont support the right of same relations marriage but to make that my #1 agenda in life? he gets on my nerves. he's entertaining to listen to, until I cant take it anymore and shut the dial.
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Mama Bear




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Dec 15 2009, 12:20 am
I listen to his show often and it riles me up. I am not pro gay rights but that doesnt define my life or whom I vote for. I have a lot more important things on my plate than worrying about 2 guys wanting to get married. Id ont support the right of same relations marriage but to make that my #1 agenda in life? he gets on my nerves. he's entertaining to listen to, until I cant take it anymore and shut the dial.
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Mevater




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Dec 15 2009, 12:33 am
Mama Bear wrote:
I listen to his show often and it riles me up. I am not pro gay rights but that doesnt define my life or whom I vote for. I have a lot more important things on my plate than worrying about 2 guys wanting to get married. Id ont support the right of same relations marriage but to make that my #1 agenda in life? he gets on my nerves. he's entertaining to listen to, until I cant take it anymore and shut the dial.
That's your personal feelings at work, very different than those of Rav A Miller ZTL and others. While Levin's style of delivery is too strong for my taste, Gedolim such as Miller ZTL are my spiritual compass.
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GAMZu




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Dec 15 2009, 1:29 am
Maimonides is an awful place.
They treat patients like garbage. Greedy, disgusting people. They put in a central line to take blood from my grandfather instead of having to prick each time-- yet they still pricked him! My mother raised the roof, but all they said, "I don't see it on record that he got a central line."
Look at the patient, you doofus! More procedures=more $$$, I guess.

When I was staying with my grandfather (I was 16) and he was cold, they refused to give him more sheets. I had to go to the (personnel only) linen closet and take from there myself. Mad

Even the out-of-hospital clinics. Rude, overcrowded, awful wait time... they schedule 10 patients into one slot in case ch"vsh someone cancels and they have a free slot.
The secretary of one specialist we saw refused to fax me the records of that day's visit and test results, which is in violation of privacy policy!

I was recommended some great doctors there for my daughter, but I couldn't subject her to the horrors of this place. I chose NYU even though it's awfully inconvenient to get to.
In NYU, you don't have to chase down people and hold them in place so they should listen to you. They space appointments generously, are so sweet and friendly, email with you about concerns, and they'll send you results and records without being asked to.
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iriska_meller




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Dec 15 2009, 6:27 am
GAMZu wrote:


I was recommended some great doctors there for my daughter, but I couldn't subject her to the horrors of this place. I chose NYU even though it's awfully inconvenient to get to.
In NYU, you don't have to chase down people and hold them in place so they should listen to you. They space appointments generously, are so sweet and friendly, email with you about concerns, and they'll send you results and records without being asked to.


Most of their doctors also don't accept Medicaid and its managed care plans. Uninsured people who dare to show up in their ER will more often than not be transferred to Bellevue. NYU is an expensive hospital for rich people, and they try to keep it that way. And they also invest most of their money into money-making areas, like day surgery. And their ER is overcrowded as well - only its 1/8 the size of Maimo.
Maimonides will serve anyone, regardless of insurance or social standing. Yes, they all will have to wait, hours perhaps, but they will get help.
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YALT




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Dec 15 2009, 7:16 am
I had a gr8 experience there in the ER. But I'm totally convinced it's bec. by admittance I mentioned my aunt's name. She's been working there since before I was born. I got the best dr, who didn't even want to releaseDS until he spoke to my pediatrician, whom he knows & who agreed that if there's any prob. we can come to his house.
I watched this kid in the bed next to us look like he was about to die, and the dr was barking away at him.
I had heard so much negative about this hospital, that I was like, I never want to go to this hospital.

Right b4 DD was born my dr stopped working in Methodist. The only hosp. he works in now is Maimonides. So I didn't have much choice, and she was born there.
But I ended up having a good experience.


Mevater,
Maimonides is NOT the only hospital around. When DH had to go to the hospital, Hatzolah took him to Downstate.
When DS had to go, they wanted to take him there or Methodist.

And when DS was 2 weeks old and my dr thought I had appendicitis, they told me to go straight to ER, and she's calling down to there that they should take care of me right away.
I sat in the waiting room for 8½ hours before they even put me on a bed in ER. And even that was only bec. my dr. actually walked into ER & told them she wanted to see me on a bed within the next 10 minutes.

So it's not just that hospital.
And when DS was born in Methodist, I did not have as good an experience as I later had in Maimonides.
Nope. It was NOT a good experience.

But if you really don't like it, then go to a dif. hospital.
If you request a specific one, the ambulance can take u there. That's how I got to Maimonides with DS when he needed it.
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Ruchel




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Dec 15 2009, 9:01 am
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the nursing staff is overworked, under-educated, lacking social skills, and they look like they hate their jobs. there are some very decent doctors there, but they too are usually overworked


This describes every single ones of my hospital experiences and of those I heard of (relative, friend etc). Only exception: private very expensive places. Unfortunately the machines and all are generally better at the public places.

Yes, if you have a "link" to a doctor etc they may be much better with you. But you can also be a midwife or nurse working there and be treated like sh*t. You never know.
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Mevater




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Dec 15 2009, 10:08 am
YALT wrote:
Mevater,
Maimonides is NOT the only hospital around. When DH had to go to the hospital, Hatzolah took him to Downstate.
Not that simple. All my relatives use neighborhood doctors, all belonging to Maimonides. The only time we go to Manhattan or other doctors, is when we go to a specialist or second opinion. You want to be in the hos[ital with the Doctor who is familiar with you.

My question remains the same as Rabbi Levin, if their ER is woefully crowded at all times and understaffed, and they're a filthy rich hospital with lots of valuable real estate, they can def afford to spruce up the ER, as needed, to satisfy the numbers of people who seek treatment there, instead of investing their money elsewhere, where it's less needed, and where they have lots of empty space. Another point was made, the ER is a one floor building, it can be built up. What they're doing is inexcusable. I believe the Hospital Admin is buddy buddy with the Jewish Org. in BP (so what else is new) and even those in our community who are on the Board, who stand to benefit from Maimonides making high profitability as the hospital's primary goal, with their many multi million real estate deals, will look the other way....... and only those like Rabbi Levin will speak up honestly, whether we like his style or not, he hopefully will save lives by being outspoken and getting media attention, slowly but surely.
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nylon




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Dec 15 2009, 10:24 am
How can they afford to build a new ER when they lose money on every patient who walks into it? ER loses money. ER loses even more money when you get a lot of uninsured patients, illegal immigrants, and Medicaid/Medicare patients. Maimonides gets a lot of all 3.

Maimonides is not a filthy rich hospital. New York Presbyterian is rich. Maimonides has very real financial issues due to a poor patient population.
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Mevater




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Dec 15 2009, 10:39 am
nylon wrote:
How can they afford to build a new ER when they lose money on every patient who walks into it? ER loses money. ER loses even more money when you get a lot of uninsured patients, illegal immigrants, and Medicaid/Medicare patients. Maimonides gets a lot of all 3.

Maimonides is not a filthy rich hospital. New York Presbyterian is rich. Maimonides has very real financial issues due to a poor patient population.
People in the know say they own many millions of real estate in the area, just for investment purposes. Today you can't hide anything, ownership of everything can be discovered one way or another. Also, they had millions/billions to invest in a not in demand (bec. people go to Manhattan for Cancer treatment), but highly profitable, Cancer Center with very many empty rooms.
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iriska_meller




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Dec 15 2009, 11:10 am
Mevater wrote:
People in the know say they own many millions of real estate in the area, just for investment purposes. Today you can't hide anything, ownership of everything can be discovered one way or another. Also, they had millions/billions to invest in a not in demand (bec. people go to Manhattan for Cancer treatment), but highly profitable, Cancer Center with very many empty rooms.


One of the reason they owe real estate, including many residential houses, is to build clinics, to divert at least part of the potential ER flow into them.
Mevater, I'm not saying they are holy people. They just have a business to run, not a very profitable one either. I would give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they are trying. What Brooklyn really needs is more hospitals. The whole Brooklyn is one big underserved area.
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Twizzlers




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Dec 15 2009, 11:21 am
Mevater wrote:
...... and only those like Rabbi Levin will speak up honestly, whether we like his style or not, he hopefully will save lives by being outspoken and getting media attention, slowly but surely.


sorry, but I dont see how Rabbi Levin standing up and darshening on a street corner is going to make Maimonides come out and say "oh yes, dear rabbi, you are so right. lets start a 5 million dollar renovation on the ER right now".
You dont like it? go elsewhere. There are other hospitals in brooklyn. And there are other doctors in Brooklyn that are affiliated with other hospitals.
But I dont think he's going to get every jew in flatbush and bp to boycott Maimonides so he's not going to get very far.
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tzatza




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Dec 15 2009, 11:31 am
I had three children, BH, in Maimonides. I don't have high expectations of nursing post-delivery staff, even though volunteers are great. anyway, it was ok. Besides, it's just 2 days. I can tolerate that much. In terms of doctors/assistant at the labor itself, they were all great EVERY time (and it is in the time frame between 2001-2008).
On the other side, when my Mom was diagnosed with cancer (right prior to that) she eneded up in the ER there and we had a very BAD experience ( as well later experiences there).
On the other hand, I've never been to another hospital, BH, BH, so can't really compare.
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Mevater




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Dec 15 2009, 11:32 am
Twizzlers wrote:
Mevater wrote:
...... and only those like Rabbi Levin will speak up honestly, whether we like his style or not, he hopefully will save lives by being outspoken and getting media attention, slowly but surely.
sorry, but I dont see how Rabbi Levin standing up and darshening on a street corner is going to make Maimonides come out and say "oh yes, dear rabbi, you are so right. lets start a 5 million dollar renovation on the ER right now".
You don't know that for 100% certain. You never know what happens when people start talking..................(You know the commercial... and I told two friends...and I told two friends...and I told two friends...and I told two friends...)One thing is for sure, if we stay quiet about it, nothing will happen.
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ESB




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Dec 15 2009, 12:02 pm
My grandma was there and I was there with her. She had surgery there and the surgery didnt go well so while still recovering from the first surgery they did a second surgery. Who in thier right mind would do that? But that also didnt go well so the next day they did a third surgery. My grandma was on a respirator for weeks and then transffered out of there. A few weeks later she passed away. I wouldnt go there even to have a baby.... I have nightmares of that place.
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curlytop




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Dec 15 2009, 12:03 pm
Twizzlers wrote:
You dont like it? go elsewhere. There are other hospitals in brooklyn. And there are other doctors in Brooklyn that are affiliated with other hospitals.
But I dont think he's going to get every jew in flatbush and bp to boycott Maimonides so he's not going to get very far.


Yes
I agree.
I delivered in Maimonides too, can't say I was too thrilled, but to come out like this, whats the point exactly??!!
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