Rabbi Levin is 100% RIGHT about Maimonides Hospital!

nylon

Wed, Dec 16 2009, 10:50 am

That would be illegal. Mount Sinai got sued back in the 1990s for segregating the Medicaid patients.

Uninsured patients are actually billed a lot more than insured ones (they are billed sticker price, which is outrageous for ER visits--like 4x what your insurance pays). But of course, who can afford $3K for a simple ER visit (yes I have been billed that).

Would all you ladies on Medicaid like to be put to the back of the line? your insurance is worth a lot less than private.

Patients who can pay sticker price go first.
Patients with good private insurance go second.
Then Medicare.
Then Medicaid.
Then uninsured Americans.
And then illegal immigrants.

Very fair, right?

PS: I've been to British ERs. There aren't any private ones, and we all get to wait.

Rodent

Wed, Dec 16 2009, 11:26 am

manhattanmom wrote:

YALT wrote:

Maybe what they should do is have 2 ERs. 1 for patients w/ insurance, 1 for without.
THat should be an easy way to deal with this issue. As soon as they come in, when they sign in, a nurse should be asking to see insurance cards. If they don't have, they are given "VIP service" to another waiting room.

That's exactly what our country will be like if we were to have socialized medicine. Lots and lots and lots of waiting for life-saving procedures.

Sorry but that's garbage. We have socialised medicine and you don't wait for life saving treatment, only elective and yes that can be a fair while depending on location and what it is. But I've never had to wait in emergency like the horror stories here. I've been twice this year, night both times, wait was between 15 minutes and half an hour in one of the biggest hospitals here, big feeding area. I'm sure if there was a big emergency it would have been longer but socialised medicine does not equal huge waiting.

I'm sorry about the old lady with the respirator but I totally understand the hospital's stance. I think the idea put forward about redoing tests with re-admissions for more money is paranoia quite frankly. Someone who is medically ok but needs nursing care belongs in a nursing facility, not a hospital, and I think any hospital in the world would be likely to do exactly the same thing.

(And my FIL works at Maimonides and isn't a small fry either btw. I have no experience there as I'd have needed to be literally dying to have any medical treatment when we were in the US, we had no insurance, no medicaid etc. But some of the posts here are bordering on LH, those that are pointing fingers at certain sections of the staff etc. Please be aware that there are real people and real families behind the nameless labelling on here.)

chavamom

Wed, Dec 16 2009, 11:48 am

YALT wrote:

The hospital where I work used to have that. They don't anymore b/c it was illegal. It is actually illegal for them to ask to see your insurance card before you've been triaged so there is no question that they assigned your priority based on if you carry insurance or not.

chavamom

Wed, Dec 16 2009, 11:54 am

nylon wrote:

Very good point. All of you who have medicaid, please don't feel smug that you "have insurance". You know how much they pay where I live - TOTAL - for L&D? $250. Really. Think it is different in NY? There is a poster here whose husband is a surgeon. She told me that in NY her husband got a grand total of $18 for an appendectomy on medicaid pts. And yes, even those with "good" insurance pay far less than what is billed to private pay patients.

amother

Gray

Mon, Jul 04 2016, 6:29 pm

chavamom wrote:

You are missing the point. No one "makes you" ask a rav or follow his psak. No one is holding a gun to your head. You are making a *choice*. The family *chose* to ask this rav and follow his psak. That you chose to follow halacha makes you a frum Jew, but you equally have a choice to not do so. Understand what I'm saying? It bugs me when people say "we had no choice". Yes, you do. To say otherwise denies that you have free will.

I can't believe what u are writing! It's a Halacha to ask in this case. Do u realize that according to Halacha you can't decide when to end someone s life? I do realize that if you don't follow Halacha and think it's a choice whether to ask a rav a shaila then you are missing something fundamental stuff in yiddishkeit. I don't mean to be nasty. It's not like asking what name to give this is true Halacha. And many people don't know this. Please don't speak if you don't know. Ask around and find out what Halacha says. And ask from a rav that knows Halacha. Not some mo rav. They will mess things up.
Free will? No as Jews we are not free. We follow Halacha. It's not an opinion it's how we behave as frum Jews. You can do as you wish but don't tell me you follow Halacha

amother

Wine

Mon, Jul 04 2016, 7:02 pm

I once had intense abdominal pains, called hatzalah and they took me to Methodist. They took some blood work which came back normal but did nothing else to diagnose the pain. No ultrasound, nothing. During this time the pain subsided and since I wasn't in pain anymore I was discharged.

some time later I had similar pains again, this time I went to Maimo where I actually saw a doctor (at Methodist I only saw a PA) and had an ultrasound done which showed gallstones. Didn't end up needing surgery in the end BH but at least I knew what the problem was.

Now it's possible I got better care the second time because I was pregnant at the time. But maimonides is by far not the worst hospital in Brooklyn.