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Post Posted: Mon, Mar 01 2010, 1:13 pm       Post subject: How is getting drunk tznius - male or female?
Please explain to me how getting drunk and exhibiting crazy, ridiculous behavior is tznius?

How is it not a chillul hashem where non Jews are?

How is drinking until you get sick or until you go to the hospital not totally against halacha as something that is a sakana?
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Post Posted: Mon, Mar 01 2010, 1:16 pm       Post subject:
You can get drunk without behaving like an idiot, throwing up, etc.

Like I said in the other thread, I've only seen this type of behavior exhibited with teenagers. The adults that I associate with don't act like this.
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Post Posted: Mon, Mar 01 2010, 1:19 pm       Post subject:
DefyGravity wrote:
You can get drunk without behaving like an idiot, throwing up, etc.

Like I said in the other thread, I've only seen this type of behavior exhibited with teenagers. The adults that I associate with don't act like this.


teenagers drinking is a huge problem. they don't know when to stop & could get alcohol poisoning. if they need to go to the hospital, the person who allowed them to drink will probably be arrested.

one year we had a bochur who came to collect who was so drunk that he walked through a glass screen & needed surgery on his arm.
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Baruch_Hashem








Post Posted: Mon, Mar 01 2010, 5:20 pm       Post subject: re: How is getting drunk tznius - male or female?
When done correctly it is a beautiful thing. I was at seuda where many of the men were drunk. it was very torahdik. When the very essence of a person is torah what comes out when they get drunk is very nice. there were lots of divrie torah, lots of singing. Yes the men were hyper and loud but they were saying such nice divrie torah and they kept praising each other. There was a real atmosphere of achdus. Men who dont drink all year and then do it on purim l'shem mitzvah to increase their happiness on this special day-that is the correct way! In many cases drinking is not done correctly(too young...too much) etc... but when done correctly there is n/t wrong with it. Females drinking is a different story... I dont think it is tznius.
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Post Posted: Mon, Mar 01 2010, 8:01 pm       Post subject: re: How is getting drunk tznius - male or female?
Oh why is this question in a non-anonymous forum? 8) 8) Oh well. I already started typing, but I'll say that I think it's untznius for a woman to be drunk.

I won't lie--I'm not a drinker, but drank on Purim. And I didn't know how much was too much. And I'm STILLLLL feeling sick and awful from it. DH didn't think it was anything (said the amount was normal--probably the dehydration or something), but I don't think stumbling down the avenue on DH's arm, or spending an evening where the neighbors can hear you getting sick, is tznius or lady-like...it's low-class and not modest.
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Post Posted: Mon, Mar 01 2010, 8:10 pm       Post subject: re: How is getting drunk tznius - male or female?
my dh told me that it says in the gemara that a female cant get drunk, because shell do disgusting things then (like have relations with a donkey in the street). when I told my dh that I would never, and how dare he say that Laughing he replied, im not saying it, its a gemara, so dont say you would never!!! Rolling Eyes
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Post Posted: Mon, Mar 01 2010, 8:23 pm       Post subject: re: How is getting drunk tznius - male or female?
For a man the following is considered tznius: sing, dance, breakdance, drive a car, a horse, getting drunk, playing sports, give a speech.

For a woman, the following is considered not tznius: sing, dance, breakdance, drive a car, a horse, getting drunk, playing sports, give a speech.
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Yocheved84








Post Posted: Mon, Mar 01 2010, 8:24 pm       Post subject: Re: re: How is getting drunk tznius - male or female?
Chocoholic wrote:
For a man the following is considered tznius: sing, dance, breakdance, drive a car, a horse, getting drunk, playing sports, give a speech.

For a woman, the following is considered not tznius: sing, dance, breakdance, drive a car, a horse, getting drunk, playing sports, give a speech.
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Mimisinger








Post Posted: Mon, Mar 01 2010, 8:47 pm       Post subject: Re: re: How is getting drunk tznius - male or female?
Yocheved84 wrote:
Oh why is this question in a non-anonymous forum? 8) 8) Oh well. I already started typing, but I'll say that I think it's untznius for a woman to be drunk.

I won't lie--I'm not a drinker, but drank on Purim. And I didn't know how much was too much. And I'm STILLLLL feeling sick and awful from it. DH didn't think it was anything (said the amount was normal--probably the dehydration or something), but I don't think stumbling down the avenue on DH's arm, or spending an evening where the neighbors can hear you getting sick, is tznius or lady-like...it's low-class and not modest.


Sorry, I didn't realize that anonymous posting was disabled.
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Yocheved84








Post Posted: Mon, Mar 01 2010, 10:29 pm       Post subject: Re: re: How is getting drunk tznius - male or female?
Mimisinger wrote:
Yocheved84 wrote:
Oh why is this question in a non-anonymous forum? 8) 8) Oh well. I already started typing, but I'll say that I think it's untznius for a woman to be drunk.

I won't lie--I'm not a drinker, but drank on Purim. And I didn't know how much was too much. And I'm STILLLLL feeling sick and awful from it. DH didn't think it was anything (said the amount was normal--probably the dehydration or something), but I don't think stumbling down the avenue on DH's arm, or spending an evening where the neighbors can hear you getting sick, is tznius or lady-like...it's low-class and not modest.


Sorry, I didn't realize that anonymous posting was disabled.


LOL No problem!!! Smile I'm proud to publicly say that I learned a lesson this weekend. And I'm proud to say that I'm still learning the lesson. :::drinking ginger ale and eating toast all day to recover ::::

L'Chaim!
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mommalah








Post Posted: Mon, Mar 01 2010, 10:42 pm       Post subject: Re: re: How is getting drunk tznius - male or female?
Yocheved84 wrote:
Mimisinger wrote:
Yocheved84 wrote:
Oh why is this question in a non-anonymous forum? 8) 8) Oh well. I already started typing, but I'll say that I think it's untznius for a woman to be drunk.

I won't lie--I'm not a drinker, but drank on Purim. And I didn't know how much was too much. And I'm STILLLLL feeling sick and awful from it. DH didn't think it was anything (said the amount was normal--probably the dehydration or something), but I don't think stumbling down the avenue on DH's arm, or spending an evening where the neighbors can hear you getting sick, is tznius or lady-like...it's low-class and not modest.


Sorry, I didn't realize that anonymous posting was disabled.


LOL No problem!!! Smile I'm proud to publicly say that I learned a lesson this weekend. And I'm proud to say that I'm still learning the lesson. :::drinking ginger ale and eating toast all day to recover ::::

L'Chaim!


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sequoia








Post Posted: Mon, Mar 01 2010, 11:10 pm       Post subject: re: How is getting drunk tznius - male or female?
Pickle juice!
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Post Posted: Tue, Mar 02 2010, 7:38 am       Post subject: re: How is getting drunk tznius - male or female?
I don't see how getting drunk is tznius for either men or women.

"my dh told me that it says in the gemara that a female cant get drunk, because shell do disgusting things then (like have relations with a donkey in the street). "

Makes you wonder about the state of sobriety of the folks who came up with this stuff...
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kalsee








Post Posted: Tue, Mar 02 2010, 7:43 am       Post subject: Re: re: How is getting drunk tznius - male or female?
DrMom wrote:
I don't see how getting drunk is tznius for either men or women.

"my dh told me that it says in the gemara that a female cant get drunk, because shell do disgusting things then (like have relations with a donkey in the street). "

Makes you wonder about the state of sobriety of the folks who came up with this stuff...
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Marion








Post Posted: Tue, Mar 02 2010, 7:46 am       Post subject: Re: re: How is getting drunk tznius - male or female?
Baruch_Hashem wrote:
Yes the men were hyper and loud but they were saying such nice divrie torah and they kept praising each other. There was a real atmosphere of achdus.


So what if they kept praising each other? If drinking makes them hyper enough and loud enough to scare their kids/nephews/nieces/grandchildren, then it's too much, no matter what the content is of what's coming out of their mouths.

My kids were ASKING to leave the seudah yesterday because of the rowdiness...and the [drunk] men in the room were also just singing and giving divrei Torah.
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Post Posted: Tue, Mar 02 2010, 11:59 am       Post subject: re: How is getting drunk tznius - male or female?
Getting drunk is BAD chinuch.
I don't care where you send your child to school or how you cover your hair or what shul you daven at , at, what hechsher you keep, or what butcher you use bla bla bla.
EXCESSIVE DRINKING = BAD CHINUCH.
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