Home
Log in / Sign Up
    Private Messages   Advanced Search   Rules   New User Guide   FAQ   Advertise   Contact Us  
Forum -> Interesting Discussions
Lilith - what do we know about her?
1  2  3  Next



Post new topic   Reply to topic View latest: 24h 48h 72h

lamplighter




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Sep 26 2010, 9:44 pm
Anyone?
I'm trying to research and I keep hitting dead ends...
Back to top

chocolate moose




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Sep 26 2010, 10:05 pm
We know a lot. First of all, we don't say her whole name.
Back to top

lamplighter




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Sep 26 2010, 10:17 pm
really what do we say?

and what is fact and what is "myth"?
Back to top

someoneoutthere




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Sep 26 2010, 10:25 pm
I wouldn't say we know a lot at all. We actually know quite little- just a quote or two in the Zohar and some story from the "Aleph Bet of Ben Sira" which is at best apocrypha and at worst totally made up, at least the "Aleph Bet" that is currently available.

Lilith is, essentially, a negative spirit. Call her a sh"d/sheid/demon if you will. An interesting article explaining a bunch is http://www.chabad.org/library/.....0.htm

She's been given a greater value than she deserves...
Back to top

mama-star




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Sep 26 2010, 10:27 pm
we know she was adam ha-rishon's first wife, but she constantly opposed him at every turn.

she is also written on many charms and amulets, even up to this very day (like the ones we have on our doors after we have babies), that read "chutz lilit," (out lillith).

we are not supposed to leave our negel vasser under our beds, lest lillith taint the water (I guess she likes to hang out under there, lol)

I'll bet if you google her you'll find lots of info about it - in fact this topic has piqued my own interest so I think *I* am going to google her now... LOL
Back to top

someoneoutthere




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Sep 26 2010, 10:40 pm
WARNING: The stuff google has to share about Lilith is not necessarily authentic. Was she a first wife? In a physical world?

The negel vasser stuff and baby stuff and spritzing water on the floor after marital relations and all that is related to the connection Lilith has with s-exuality. Lillis is the female counterpart to the male sh"d Sama'el, ofter refered to as the Satan. She's representative of a negative spiritual force directly related to intimate matters and taavos. Did she once enclothe herself in a physical form etc. etc.? Possibly. Probably. But we know precious little details and its just a matter of understanding her function. In that chabad.org I linked before article I think Tzvi Freeman explains it well. (As for Adam Harishon's tzidkus in all of this, I dont know the details of what really happened, but from what I understand Lillis to be, there was no actual female around but chava, lilis was just in the spiritual realm of things....)
Back to top

lalelo




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Sep 26 2010, 10:47 pm
someoneoutthere wrote:
WARNING: The stuff google has to share about Lilith is not necessarily authentic. Was she a first wife? In a physical world?

The negel vasser stuff and baby stuff and spritzing water on the floor after marital relations and all that is related to the connection Lilith has with s-exuality. Lillis is the female counterpart to the male sh"d Sama'el, ofter refered to as the Satan. She's representative of a negative spiritual force directly related to intimate matters and taavos. Did she once enclothe herself in a physical form etc. etc.? Possibly. Probably. But we know precious little details and its just a matter of understanding her function. In that chabad.org I linked before article I think Tzvi Freeman explains it well. (As for Adam Harishon's tzidkus in all of this, I dont know the details of what really happened, but from what I understand Lillis to be, there was no actual female around but chava, lilis was just in the spiritual realm of things....)


I never knew the reason why we spritz water on the floor, I guess now I do... ineteresting
what is the theory, to 'scare' her away, if shes there?
what is the 'baby stuff'?
Back to top

Raizle




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Sep 26 2010, 10:48 pm
chocolate moose wrote:
We know a lot. First of all, we don't say her whole name.

That's right. We are not supposed to say her name, not even the Anglo version
Back to top

anonymom




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Sep 26 2010, 10:49 pm
Never heard of this until reading this thread.
Back to top

someoneoutthere




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Sep 26 2010, 10:55 pm
Here's a quote from the Soncino Zohar:

Soncino Zohar, Vayikra, Section 3, Page 19a wrote:


"God made man upright" (yashar, lit. straight) (Eccles. VII, 20). The word
"man" (adam) means male and female, the female being included in the male,
and hence it says "upright". Now in the depth of the great abyss there is a
certain hot fiery female spirit named Lilith, who at first cohabited with
man. For when man was created and his body completed, a thousand spirits
from the left side assembled round that body, each endeavouring to enter,
until at last a cloud descended and drove them away and God said, "Let the
earth bring forth a living soul" (Gen. I, 24), and it then brought forth a
spirit to breathe into man, who thus became complete with two sides, as it
says, "And he breathed in his nostrils the breath of life, and the man
became a living soul" (Gen. II, 7). When man arose, his female was affixed
to his side, and the holy spirit in him spread to each side, thus perfecting
itself. Afterwards God sawed the man in two and fashioned his female and
brought her to him like a bride to the canopy. When Lilith saw this she
fled, and she is still in the cities of the sea coast trying to snare
mankind. And when the Almighty will destroy the wicked Rome, He will settle
Lilith among the ruins, since she is the ruin of the world, as it is
written: "For there Lilith shall settle and find her a place of rest" (Isa.
XXXIV, 14). In ancient books it says that she fled from man before this, but
we have learnt differently, that she associated with man until this soul
(neshamah) was placed in him, and then she fled to the seaside, where she
tries to harm mankind.

'The remedy is this. When a man unites with his wife, he should sanctify
his heart to his Master and say: [Atifa bekitifa izdamnus... The Correct File Name "She that is
wrapped in a robe is here. Thou shalt not enter nor take out; it is neither
of thee nor of thy lot. Return, return, the sea is heaving, its waves await
thee. I cleave to the holy portion, I am wrapped in the holiness of the
King." He should then cover his head and the head of his wife for a short
time. In the book which Ashmedai gave to King Solomon, it says that he
should then sprinkle clean water round the bed. If a woman is suckling a
child she should not join her husband while the child is awake, nor give it
suck afterwards until time enough has elapsed for walking two miles, or one
mile if the child cries for milk. If all this is done, Lilith will never be
able to harm them. Happy are the righteous whom God has taught the secrets
of the Torah, of heaven and earth, and all for the sake of the Torah, for
whoever studies the Torah is crowned with the crowns of the holy Name, and
knows secret ways and the mysteries of heaven and earth, and never comes to
harm.
Back to top

mama-star




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Sep 26 2010, 10:57 pm
ok everybody, from now on, we'll call her "lilly"
Back to top

lamplighter




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Sep 26 2010, 11:19 pm
she is def mentioned in Eitz chayim (reb issac ben luria).
My real question is - was she a wife/person at any point?
What is her power now?
Back to top

momsprince




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Sep 26 2010, 11:29 pm
I have never heard about any of this. Do you all spritz water around your beds?
Back to top

lamplighter




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Sep 27 2010, 12:06 am
We do but that is not what inspired me to ask...
Back to top

Raizle




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Sep 27 2010, 2:46 am
momsprince wrote:
I have never heard about any of this. Do you all spritz water around your beds?

we pour a little bit of water on the floor
Back to top

amother


 

Post Mon, Sep 27 2010, 2:48 am
Whats this shpritzing water about after relations, is it instead of proper washing of the hands 3x' or an addition to it.
pls explain/
Back to top

HindaRochel




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Sep 27 2010, 4:54 am
Sumerian fertility goddess. Myth.
Back to top

sequoia




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Sep 27 2010, 4:57 am
HindaRochel wrote:
Sumerian fertility goddess. Myth.


Exactly.
Back to top

brooklyn




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Sep 27 2010, 8:10 am
sounds like the way Frazier on Cheers described his wife who was named..................Lilith.
Back to top

HindaRochel




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Sep 27 2010, 9:41 am
brooklyn wrote:
sounds like the way Frazier on Cheers described his wife who was named...............Lilith.


I think that Lilith was more of an ice princess...
Back to top
Page 1 of 3 1  2  3  Next Recent Topics




Post new topic   Reply to topic    Forum -> Interesting Discussions