Unvaccinated- Sad stories of kids getting sick

amother

Thu, Apr 19 2012, 8:04 pm

chani8 wrote:

Chayalle wrote:

I once read an article written by Dr Indich, a pediatrician in Lakewood. He said that he had a patient - a little boy who passed away from the whooping cough, a few days after his bris. In the video of the bris, they saw a young boy from the shul standing inches away from the child, whooping. The boy was from a family that did not vaccinate.

Are babies at one week old given vaccines for whooping cough? I believe not. The first vaccine is at three months, unless I am mistaken.

the first vaccine is between 6-8 weeks where I live but I think the point of that story is the that the baby caught it from a kid in shul attending the bris coughing a few inches away from him.

I don't know about in the states but here in Australia whooping cough is on the rise because there are a lot that don't vaccinate
Not that I'm into scaring people into vaccines either. I know someone whose grandchild had a horrible horrible reaction to vaccinations at the age of 2 with lasting affects.
so I don't have strong opinions either way. I vaccinate, but signed NO to the hepititis vaccine they offer babies in hospital.
I'm just replying to your post to explain the point of that story. but I'm not taking sides either. Smile

Hashem_Yaazor

Thu, Apr 19 2012, 8:54 pm

groisamomma wrote:

HY, is it possible that when an unvaxed child gets sick it's "active" and when a vaxed kid has the germ it's passive and so harder to pass on?

I have yet to see data that shows the transmission of the bacteria being different between someone vaccinated or unvaccinated. What anon for this said makes sense to me in theory (that fewer vaccinated people would be spewing the germs outbound with the same propensity) but I have not found data that confirms nor denies this. What I do know is that the bacteria is not prevented by the vaccinated individual to be spread; it takes time for the body to start producing the antibodies to kill off the bacteria festering inside. In general, most diseases are passed on before symptoms of sickness are actually noticed.

ElTam

Thu, Apr 19 2012, 9:28 pm

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Vaccines either use dead virus (can't be spread) or attenuated virus (weakened through a variety of methods). No vaccine currently in use uses a full-strength live virus. (Until a few years ago, polio was given in a more live form in some countries, but after it was linked to cases of polio, that version of the vaccine was pulled.)

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Raisin

Fri, Apr 20 2012, 5:09 am

OPINIONATED wrote:

Should we make smaller brisim - so we avoid sick kids attending? Are we allowed to?

Question

There are many excellent reasons to make smaller brissim:

a) cheaper
b) less stressful on the mother. In another thread a mother said he was unable to nurse successfully due to all the disruption from the bris.
c) less likelyhood of sick adults or kids endangering the babies life.

The mitzva is to make a bris, and have a minyan of men, and a seuda. Not 100 or 200 people.

chavamom

Sun, Apr 22 2012, 3:14 pm

Just some interesting food for thought, esp. in light of the oft repeated claim that it is those nasty non-vaccinaters spreading disease:

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Researchers reviewed data on every patient who tested positive for pertussis between March and October 2010 at the Kaiser Permanente Medical Center in San Rafael, California.

Out of these 132 patients:

81 percent were fully up to date on the whooping cough vaccine
8 percent had never been vaccinated
11 percent had received at least one shot, but not the entire recommended series
[Chavamom adds - the 8 percent 'never vaccinated' and 11 percent partially vaccinated is a combination of infants that are not old enough to complete the series and those who don't vaccinate on principle]
Researchers noted:
“Despite widespread childhood vaccination against Bordetella pertussis, disease remains prevalent. It has been suggested that acellular vaccine may be less effective than previously believed. Our data suggests that the current schedule of acellular pertussis vaccine doses is insufficient to prevent outbreaks of pertussis.”

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In the recent DTaP vaccine study, researchers noted the vaccine’s effectiveness was only 41 percent among 2- to 7-year-olds and a dismal 24 percent among those aged 8-12. With this shockingly low rate of DTaP vaccine effectiveness, the questionable solution that public health officials have come up with is to declare that everybody has to get three primary shots and three follow-up booster shots just to get the vaccine to give long-lasting protection—if any protection is provided at all.ii