Mandated reporters WWYD?

Barbara

Wed, Oct 08 2014, 12:34 pm

Think1st wrote:

Miryam & Yocheved were mandated to murder the Jewish baby boys in Egypt. It was claimed to be for the benefit of the country.

And that has what to do with teachers, physicians, and other mandated reporters who report suspected child abuse?

Peanut2

Wed, Oct 08 2014, 1:04 pm

gittelchana wrote:

Problem #1 - being a mandated reporter.....

You couldn't pay me to snitch on people for a living.... Puke

I assume you don't know what it means.

And FYI in Israel everyone is a mandated reporter. It should be that way in the US, too, IMO.
All it means is that if you observe abuse you are required to report it or could be held legally accountable for not reporting it. So if you know or suspect that Person A is beating up their kid and burning cigarettes on her you are required to report it. Or you would rather that a pediatrician see cigarette burns on a 3 year old, G-d forbid, and not tell anyone?

Peanut2

Wed, Oct 08 2014, 1:09 pm

Ruchel wrote:

You just have to be very guarded and careful about who you go to or befriend... ask their job, I suppose, before opening at all... this sounds very scary, foreign. Obviously they ask people to report more than abuse, even cultural differences (unpasteurized is seen as positive to some, neutral/"for the gourmet" to others...).

What are you talking about?

People are mandated reporters only re their job, not private life. As stated above. Also, no one is asked to report cultural differences. Just abuse or suspected abuse.

I suspect that mandated reporting and reporting in general is much more part of the French than US system, if anything, since childcare is government subsidized, and medicine is socialized, and there is much more of a welfare state and socialist govt outlook in general.

(THe milk issue as evidenced here is clearly not considered abuse, but PSA for you if you do end up moving to the US, unpasteurized milk is not part of American culture or cuisine like it is French or European culture and cuisine. Google it or let it go.)

Think1st

Wed, Oct 08 2014, 1:51 pm

What is legally mandated in one state may be illegal to do in another . We need to use common sense.
Anyone know someone who became ill from raw milk ? Maybe it is the overproduced commercial dairy that is making us sick

US is a high dairy consuming Country

http://www.ers.usda.gov/media/.....2.pdf

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Age-standardized hip fracture rates (per 100,000) across different continents and Asian countries are given in Table 1 and Figure 1, respectively. The highest hip fractures are seen in US populations

http://www.hindawi.com/journal.....7102/

More Americans are finding ways to provide their family with RAW dairy product especially from sheep & goats

Think1st

Wed, Oct 08 2014, 1:56 pm

Peanut2 wrote:

Are you comparing raw milk to beating or cigarette burns ?????

Barbara

Wed, Oct 08 2014, 2:24 pm

Think1st wrote:

How can you compare beating up a child to feeding it fresh & healthy milk ? Rolling Eyes

The kind of fresh healthy milk that can contain e coli and listeria?

Actually, I have no desire to debate you on that point.

But I will challenge you -- give me statistics on the number of children who have been removed from their homes because mandated reporters reported that they were served raw milk.

I'm guessing it would be zero.

But you still attack mandated reporters, who do their best to keep children safe from abuse each and every day.

Peanut2

Wed, Oct 08 2014, 2:28 pm

Barbara, I don't think that think1st understood what people were saying. I'm not sure what she understood, but she thought you were comparing abuse to giving raw milk and defending the totally made-up mandated reporters who report milk consumption. Which no one but her claimed existed.

The OP was curious to know if people would report that. People answered no, and that mandated reporters in the US are only under such an obligation professionally.

It seems that some people understood the phrase mandated reporter to mean Stasi. (I can see a plane flying over a person's head as I type that.)

Peanut2

Wed, Oct 08 2014, 2:32 pm

Also, since the OP didn't seem interested in debating the merits or dangers of raw milk I suggest that we avoid it on this thread. Anyone who wants to talk about raw milk should start a new thread IMO.

OP - even though it's considered unhealthy where you live as long as it is legal to consume it (which you should look into, though I assume it is) then you are fine.

Barbara

Wed, Oct 08 2014, 2:43 pm

Peanut2 wrote:

You're right.

debsey

Wed, Oct 08 2014, 4:22 pm

Think1st wrote:

Miryam & Yocheved were mandated to murder the Jewish baby boys in Egypt. It was claimed to be for the benefit of the country.

I have a friend who was abused - badly - physical abuse and neglect - by very non-functional parents. People sporadically helped, but no one called Family Services, because they thought like you - you don't snitch on another yid.
To this day she has health problems due to a condition that could have easily been treated in her youth, had a case manager been on her case.
Social services don't necessarily swoop in and HURT people. That's not actually their job. They will do things like get parents parenting classes, pay for a homemaker, assign a case manager to make sure the kid's health is monitored, etc. You don't call lightly, but you also don't just ignore a DANGEROUS situation.
That's not to say that they are always your FRIEND. Individuals WITHIN the agencies may have a private agenda (ie, view Orthodox Judaism as a default abusive parenting situation, or just plain not like Jews and see everything through a bad lens)
My friend has such major "taynos" on every person who knew her situation growing up and looked the other way because they didn't want to "snitch."
It's not so clear cut. A lot of times, if you ask a rav, they'll say to call.
I do believe in asking a shayla first, but I also believe - if you think a kid is in danger, you CALL. That's the first priority.
debsey

granolamom

Sat, Oct 11 2014, 8:41 pm

gittelchana wrote:

Problem #1 - being a mandated reporter.....

You couldn't pay me to snitch on people for a living.... Puke

a mandated reporter is not someone who gets paid to look for child abusers and report them. anyone who has a professional degree to work with pediatric populations is by law, considered to be a mandated reporter. meaning that if they observe certain signs of abuse (and they should have received training to properly identify such as part of their education) they are mandated by law to report it. they can also possibly lose their licenses by not reporting if the case ever goes to court and its shown that they knew about the signs and did not report.

all that said, as a mandated reporter, I would not report raw milk.
also, OP, know that just because someone reports something does not mean that child welfare services will deem it problematic. if you are in NY, they are so overworked that I would be totally shocked if they cared a bit about someone reporting your giving your child raw milk. seriously, dont worry about it.

amother

Sun, Oct 12 2014, 2:03 am

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Problem #1 - being a mandated reporter.....

You couldn't pay me to snitch on people for a living.... Puke Puke

Unfortunately, not all mandated reporters report. I guess they think like gittelchana. There are definitely teachers I had who should have had suspicions. And teachers my siblings had who should have had suspicions. At least enough to ask some questions. (My parents never took us to the same pediatrician on a regular basis, so patterns wouldn't be noticed.) I hope they all rot in gehinnom for not doing something to stop what my siblings and I had to live through.

Dolly Welsh

Sun, Oct 12 2014, 5:00 am

OP your post gives off an atmosphere of worry that I am sharing. I am not sure some yogurt might not be a better idea. Your anxiety, which from what you say has basis, might get into your home atmosphere.

Sometimes the game is not worth the candle.

This kind of milk is just a food. It isn't a religious issue worth this kind of risk.

I know that people studied Torah underground, in countries where it was severely forbidden to do that, but that's different. Cow's milk isn't Torah. Even if your notions about it are right. It's just not the same level of importance, and the risks you describe are giving me the screaming meemies.

Whatever benefit your kids might get from raw milk would not remain with them as a positive, if they get other kinds of problems such as you describe or are concerned about.

On balance, they wouldn't be better off, all things considered. Their heads would suffer in a way that would negate any other benefits.

So my answer to your question might be "you don't want to find out the hard way the answer to this question".

miami85

Sun, Oct 12 2014, 9:06 am

As a fellow mandated reporter, having watched the child abuse seminar quite a few times as we're required to get a new certificate every 2 years. Reportable occasions would be referring to to things that outright harm or are neglectful of children. Raw milk is generally given for health reasons or due to a specific belief.
I think it's akin to the whole vaccination hock--I don't think it's a reportable "offense"--while I personally don't believe in it. If she were giving her kids SPOILED milk it would be a different story.

Sparkle

Sun, Oct 12 2014, 8:11 pm

Drinking raw milk is neither a health risk nor illegal.
I'm far more concerned about a neighbor hearing me yell at my kids than someone seeing me feed them raw milk.
That being said I always ask permission from a parent before giving any of my childrens' friends raw milk. Thought it's probably one of the healthiest thing they've ever had Wink

, it's still the right thing to do.