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The Rebbe Speaking Against Giving Musser To Jews.



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amother
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Post Tue, Aug 25 2015, 2:20 pm
http://youtu.be/1N_WbxV2FZ8
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Butterfly




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Aug 25 2015, 2:28 pm
Powerful! Very powerful indeed!
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toberella




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Aug 25 2015, 3:11 pm
thank you!
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notshanarishona




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Aug 25 2015, 3:36 pm
Who is "the Rebbe"? Don't have you tube..Just Ooc.
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Kitten




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Aug 25 2015, 3:46 pm
notshanarishona wrote:
Who is "the Rebbe"? Don't have you tube..Just Ooc.

The Lubavitcher Rebbe.
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PinkFridge




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Aug 25 2015, 4:20 pm
Sounds intriguing. I can't open it either. If anyone wants to distill it please feel free to.
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sneakermom




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Aug 25 2015, 4:35 pm
He said that people think you have to give Musser to others. Especially in Elul. The Rebbe said that who are you to come between Hashem and his flock? Hashem comes into the field in Elul. He is closer to us. He loves us. We are the apple of his eye.

So we should judge others favorably and Hashem will judge us favorably. If we see a blemish in another person it's like a mirror. It's really a blemish in yourself and a person should work on themselves.

As for the fact that the world needs Musser. He said don't worry about it. That leave up to Hashem to do.

But we should not start up with Hashem's beloved people and stand between them. Especially when Hashem our king is in the field. Close to us.
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Kitten




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Aug 25 2015, 5:07 pm
It's an excerpt. Here is the official English subtitle.
"But for kosher slaughter to be valid the blade used must be free of blemishes. These are detected by running a fingernail over the blade, as the Talmud instructs. A blemish is defined by something that can be felt by the fingernail. The commentators explain that if one feels nothing, there are two possibilities: one that there is no blemish. Another is that the butcher lacks the sensitivity to feel it. He should have felt that his knife is flawed, but he's "missing feeling." Meaning, he doesn't feel that there is a problem; he thinks he's doing something positive, "for the sake of Heaven". But what is he actually doing? He's using a flawed knife, which he cannot "draw" the animal into the human; to transform it into a person who studies Torah, lives accordingly, performing mitzvos, and connecting to G-d. So he must use his nail: he must use it on himself, to test whether he has the necessary sensitivity to tell when his blade is flawed. This is the purpose of a flaw. In my father-in-law, the Rebbe's words: fingernails should be used one oneself, not on someone else. We are approaching the month of Elul, and you want to use this time to rebuke other Jews, G-d forbid? Rebuke yourself first. Do this in the month of Av, and then you will see whether you're the one whom G-d choose to go and rebuke "His only son," the Jewish people -- "whoever touches them, touches the Apple of His eye!" This is an explicit verse, not a chasidic teaching. A verse in the 24 books of Scripture. You're telling G-d what he should do with "the apple of His eye." Outrageous. If G-d were to instruct you, you'd have no choice, you must fulfill G-d's mission. You decided that G-d has no choice but to appoint you to go and rebuke another Jew, or even more so, many Jews, a "holy congregation," regarding which G-d declares, "Wherever 10 Jews are found, the divine presence dwells." Regardless of who they are, when they gather, G-d is there: "G-d stands in the congregation of the Lord." Yet you have the temerity to appoint yourself to go and rebuke the apple of G-d's very eye. A famous aphorism is cited in classical ethical works of mussar -- not only in Chasidic texts -- that when you notice a fault in someone else, know that you are looking in the mirror. The fact that it appears to you as someone else's fault, stems from the fact that you have this very fault. Some ask: Then won't rebuke cease from the Jewish people? First, the Talmud states that the world needs both a perfume-seller and a tanner. There is a need for one who sells perfumes, and for one who is skilled at taking the hide of an animal, and turning it into parchment for tefillin. He must process the hide, and handle all sorts of unpleasant substances from which he picks up a very foul odor, to the extent that the Talmud declares; "Woe unto him who's lot fell out to be a tanner." We can understand why you wouldn't pursue it -- it's not to your benefit. As for G-d's need to provide the world with rebuke, He'll take care of it. But as the month of compassion arrives, divine mercy begins to shine from the beginning of the month, and "the King is in the field." You come along and stand between the King and His flock, and say disparaging things. Unbelievable. When the month of Elul arrives, judge people favorably and then you will be judged favorably."
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sneakermom




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Aug 25 2015, 5:39 pm
Thanks kitten. Much better then my limited take on it.
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PinkFridge




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Aug 26 2015, 8:40 am
Thanks. Beautiful and important to remember; think of Rav Levi Yitzchak of Berditchev.
OTOH, there are times when one must give mussar and it's important to remember the following
- If one can be dlkz and obviate the need for mussar, that's great.
- One must be motivated by care and concern. If one feels any sort of self-righteousness or schedenfruede one is not the person for this job.
- One must give mussar in a way that maintains the other person's dignity, e.g. tone of voice, privacy, etc.

Was the Rebbe speaking to a particular person or of a particular case? I don't need or want details, just y/n.
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