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amother

Copper

Sun, Jan 24 2016, 2:00 pm

we are seriously considering moving to cleveland. we are yeshivish. dh learned first five years of marriage. from what I heard id think wed fit into both schools. wed be more to the right of academy and the center of mosdos. can anyone tell me similarities and differences between the two schools, education, special ed resources, middos parent body etc.

greenfire

Sun, Jan 24 2016, 6:26 pm

they are both overseen by the same hanhala Telshe Yeshiva

amother

Ginger

Sun, Jan 24 2016, 6:43 pm

One school was 14 million in debt so disbanded the school and created a new one. Mosdos doesn't exist any longer so I don't know what happens to their debt obligation. The new school in its place is very similar to mosdos. Do your research.

Hac has major problems in their high school boys division but the elementary school is OK. Lots of complaints about the new leadership for the high school girls but I still would tour the school sit in on classes and consider it for my daughters.

On the positive side hac is bursting at the seams and building a new campus for the boys. Currently boys and girls elementary are in the same building.

What kind of special Ed resources do you need? There is a program that provides 1:1 aides but they are not intervention specialists. They can pull out and work 1:1.

amother

Periwinkle

Sun, Jan 24 2016, 6:52 pm

As my husband has gone thru the HAC system and personally knows the principal and all the rebbeim in HAC. The staff is top of the line, very devoted. The principal is especially caring and extremely on top of everything and knowledgable. My husband is learning in yeshiva now for a couple years and is extremely open minded and still keeps up with most of his HAC friends. He has very fond memories of those years.

amother

Pearl

Sun, Feb 14 2016, 8:07 pm

We are looking for a school where the boys will develop a real enjoyment and love of learning Torah. Do either one of the schools fit the bill?

amother

Ginger

Sun, Feb 14 2016, 9:27 pm

In my experience, 2 of the Rebbeim at HAC in the elementary are not a great match for most students, but all other Rebbeim do their best to instill a love..... whether or not the students feel the love and absorb the teachings is another story. There are some truly good Rebbeim for boys in the elementary. I personally would not send my sons to HAC past 6th grade. The student body is a tricky bunch and some classes are better than others in terms of middos.

amother

Pearl

Sun, Feb 14 2016, 10:23 pm

Why would you send them elsewhere after sixth grade? Are the bad teachers that you mentioned in grades 7 and 8?
Whats the deal with mosdos (or whatever its called now)? Is the school stable?

amother

Ginger

Sun, Feb 14 2016, 11:19 pm

in MY opinion (there are those who feel differently) it's a WHOLE different feel after 6th grade. 7th and 8th are part of Sapirstein which is run by someone very different than the elementary. Currently at a different campus--- 7th and 8th might be more in line with elementary when the boys all go in one building. 9th through 12th for boys is fairly non-existent in Cleveland---- there are currently 2 boys in 12th grade and I think 1 in 10th.... a small handful in 9th----- the smaller the school, the less attention given to certain things.

The Rebbeim who are not in control of their classrooms with whom I have experience are in the elementary--- actually the Rebbeim in Sapirstein are fairly good as far as teaching Torah--- it's the school management that's more problematic--- the school atmosphere, the supervision, the vision of the school matching the elementary, etc. I have plenty to say but this is not a thread for me to vent. I'll just say--- the head of the school does not send his sons there. So--- do your research and decide for yourself.

The school formerly known as Mosdos--- I would not consider it stable. When it folds, plenty of people will leave Cleveland. A chunk have already left for HAC--- I heard an estimate of 70 but I think that's high--- so say 40 maybe have left for HAC.

amother

Chocolate

Mon, Dec 20 2021, 7:38 pm

Bump. My husband just got offered a job in Cleveland and we'll have to make a decision soon! My oldest is only in preschool...any updated info about the schools?

Last edited by amother on Mon, Mar 07 2022, 10:16 am; edited 1 time in total

amother

Chartreuse

Mon, Dec 20 2021, 7:42 pm

Ask specific questions. Lots has changed since the previous comments.

hanna2010

Mon, Dec 20 2021, 8:50 pm

The scene has drastically changed.

Pm me

amother

Indigo

Mon, Dec 20 2021, 9:09 pm

I’m also curious, if any one is comfortable posting publicly.

We’ve been considering a move OOT. We have relatives in Cleveland and have always enjoyed visiting but their kids are much older and out of school so there’s not been a lot they can tell us about schools.

amother

Pearl

Mon, Dec 20 2021, 11:07 pm

HAC is a much much bigger school. They just built a huge boys building which is very nice. Its a much bigger mix of kids frumkeit wise. The school itself is also "less yeshivish" compared to YDT. For example they show magic school bus videos to the kindergarten fairly often. In the elementary school I don't think that they have any rules about internet. In the boys junior high they do have a rule that boys can't own a smart phone or a device with internet although apparently not everyone follows it. Although most boys do I think. Up until this year the boys and girls were in the same building and on the same buses through sixth grade. That changed this year when the boys moved into their new building. Those are just some small examples to explain what I mean. HAC does have tremendous resources for kids who need extra help.

YDT has very, very little resources for kids who need extra help. Like close to none, particularly in the younger grades. Because of that YDT allows you to bring your own tutors, therapists etc into school to see your kid during school hours but finding those tutors and arranging everything is on you. (HAC does not allow you to bring in your own tutors etc). The YDT girls division just started a resource room this year but the services they offer are quite minimal at this point, although the plan seems to be that they would like to grow their resource room. They also offer title one but very minimal. Like not all grades have. I'm not sure what the boys division has in regards to a resource room but not sure that they have one.
YDT just bought a building this year that the girls moved into. Its very nice. Boys building is not as nice. It's old... YDT is considered the "more yeshivish" of the two schools.

Any questions? I'll answer if I can Smile

ProudMommie

Tue, Jan 04 2022, 12:20 am

amother [ Pearl ] wrote:

Hi, I am thinking about a move to Cleveland and I have a question about the boys schools. What are the options for boys going into 7th grade next year?

amother

Burntblack

Tue, Jan 04 2022, 2:50 am

A lot has changed since this thread so just ignore the stuff written in 2016.

HAC no longer has a boys high school. There’s now a Chofetz Chaim affiliated high school that’s separate from HAC but a lot of HAC boys go there. Run by wonderful people.

Both schools grew a lot and have expanded their facilities. HAC just opened the Oakwood campus. YDT girls elementary are in a different building, on Green Rd rather than in Cleveland Heights.

My kids go to (or went to, for the older ones) YDT and we’re very happy. Wonderful school with tremendously caring hanhala, rebbeim, teachers. My kids are teens and we’re very grateful for the chinuch they’re getting/got.

For boys entering 7th there’s HAC or YDT. HAC is a day school with a big mix of kids. Rebbeim and hanhala are yeshivish but the parent body is a whole mix. YDT is the no tv, limited internet school. Parent body is yeshivish.

ProudMommie

Tue, Jan 04 2022, 3:08 am

amother [ Burntblack ] wrote:

A lot has changed since this thread.

Can you please tell me what HAC is like for a boy going into 7th grade. Who are the families that send there? How are the rebbeim? I am not familiar with the American system so much.. Can you tell me when kids go to middle school/yeshiva?

amother

Burntblack

Tue, Jan 04 2022, 3:19 am

Boys go to mesivta (yeshiva) for 9th-12th grade. Bais medrash is yeshiva for post high school age.

In 8th grade the boys apply to various yeshivos and many Cleveland boys go out of town for yeshiva (to places in Chicago, Baltimore, NY, Philadelphia, etc.). If they stay local there’s Telshe (pronounced telz) and a new yeshiva that’s opening up for next year. If the family isn’t yeshivish most boys stay in town and go to YOC (Yeshiva of Cleveland, the Chofetz Chaim high school).

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