Chassidim: Do you like Trump because he's like a Rebbe?

marina

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 10:33 am

Ew, this article made me cringe.

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"How we operate on a daily life is to follow a certain rabbi and be inspired by him and do whatever he orders without questioning him," says Kornbluh.
Trump represents a similar type of leader, who promises plenty of great solutions if the country just follows his example. Explanations of how, exactly, he'll achieve those solutions come later. (See: "Make America Great Again").

These similarities between Trump and the rebbe style of leadership could be "why a lot of Orthodox Jews are inspired by him without questioning what he says or what his views on certain issues are," said Kornbluh.

http://www.businessinsider.com.....016-3

Who is Kornbluh? From Google, he looks like a frum guy, maybe even chassidish. Is he sane? Is this remotely accurate? I hope not.

youngishbear

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 10:35 am

WTH?

NO

I think we've established that Trump appeals to people who prefer bombastic statements rather than real leadership. I will refrain from insulting his supporters any further. Let's just say there are people with limited intellectual capacity in every community.

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marina

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 10:36 am

Full article:

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Here's how Trump managed to court the most unlikely of demographics

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Chaim Schlaff was born and raised in a Hasidic Jewish community in London.

He now lives in an ultra-Orthodox neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York, and describes himself as a "proud legal immigrant." He is also an enthusiastic Donald Trump supporter.

Schlaff says he "loves" the way Trump speaks and so do most of his friends: "He talks about everything we think."

Schlaff is not the only member of the Hasidic community in the greater New York City area that feels this way about Trump.

According to many Hasidic voters and political commentators, Trump has sparked an undeniable interest in parts of this culturally isolated world.

"Among my circle of friends, at least 90 percent [support] Trump," said Yanky Lichtman, a Trump supporter who lives in Lakewood, New Jersey, one of the biggest Orthodox Jewish communities in the New York area.

David Gross, a Hasid who lives in Brooklyn, said he was never interested in politics before this election, but "when Trump decided to run I got excited."

"He is honest, an everyday person," Gross said. "A lot of people I know agree with him, but they just don't want to say it." Gross added that he'd probably just sit out the general election if Trump was not the Republican nominee because "it won't be as interesting."

Jacob Kornbluh, a New York-based Orthodox political reporter for the news site Jewish Insider, says that there is "no question support for Trump is widespread" within the Hasidic community. The majority of Hasidic voters he's spoken to have said they plan on supporting Trump, although Kornbluh says that he has also found support for Senators Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz within the community. But for the average Hasidic voter, says Kornbluh, "Trump is their guy."

The Hasidim are the most conservative wing of the ultra-Orthodox Jewish community and are culturally, ideologically, and politically distinct from mainstream American Jews. While Jewish voters overall are consistently one of the most liberal groups in the country, nearly two-thirds of ultra-Orthodox Jews say they are politically conservative, while 57 percent of Orthodox Jews identify with or lean towards the Republican party, according to a Pew survey of Jewish Americans.

There have not been any polls of Hasidic voters ahead of the primary election, so much of the evidence of support for Trump within these communities so far has been anecdotal. But the fact that Trump has also done well among evangelical Christians in the primary states that have voted so far (in South Carolina, he won 34 percent of the white evangelical Christian vote) is a fairly telling indicator of how Hasidim will vote as well.

Since 2000, ultra-Orthodox Jews in New York have voted in national elections in extremely similar patterns to how evangelical Christians voted, according to Sam Abrams, a political scientist at Stanford University who studies the politics of American Jewish voters. The only other religious group of Americans that are as consistently conservative (politically and ideologically) as Orthodox Jews are white, evangelical Christians, according to Pew.

If it were any other election, it might be surprising that a candidate like Trump is popular in communities as conservative as Hasidic Jews and evangelical Christians. The twice-divorced reality television star has bragged about the size of his aiver on national television, voiced support for gay marriage (although he has since walked that back) and extolled the virtues of Planned Parenthood. None of this exactly matches up with the socially conservative views held very deeply by both groups.

But one of the fundamental aspects of Trump's campaign — which has confounded political pundits to no end — has been his ability to find support across seemingly contradictory pockets of the American electorate. Since the start of this election, commentators have been obsessed with assigning each candidate to specific groups of voters based on their demographics, backgrounds and ideologies; Ted Cruz's base was supposed to be evangelical Christians concentrated in the south, while Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio were the "establishment" guys that would appeal to moderates in northeastern suburbs. But Trump smashed through this framework by proving he was able to pick up supporters across all kinds of voters.

Trump's popularity in the Hasidic community highlights this phenomenon. When asked about their support for Trump, many Hasidim use the same lines and talking points one hears from Trump supporters at his rallies around the country.

"I like the way how he says it," said Lichtman. "He tells you straight what he thinks and that's a big plus."

Lichtman added that he, along with many of his friends who are also supporting Trump, are "fed up with the establishment on both sides. [We] gave them a chance and nothing worked." Like Brooklyn's Gross, Lichtman says that if Trump is not the nominee he probably won't vote in the general election at all.

Others cited Trump's business experience as a big reason for their support. There's a "feeling he'll be able to create jobs, create wealth, bring jobs into this country," Gross said.

As with Trump's base throughout the country, the Hasidim that spoke with VICE News saw some of his more controversial comments as far less important than what the candidate represents.

Schlaff, who emigrated from England, brushed off Trump's comments about banning certain types of immigrants from coming to the country. "He says a lot of not thought-through sh** that he doesn't even believe," Schlaff wrote in a Facebook message. "If you read between the lines he makes it quite clear that he's going to keep the skilled [immigrants]."

Those who closely track the politics and culture of the Hasidic community speculate that one reason that Trump has gained popularity among some of its members is very specific to the way Hasidic life is organized. For generations, the ultra-Orthodox religion and communities have been structured around a strong central leader, a rebbe or rabbi, who controls nearly all aspects of their life.

"How we operate on a daily life is to follow a certain rabbi and be inspired by him and do whatever he orders without questioning him," says Kornbluh.

Trump represents a similar type of leader, who promises plenty of great solutions if the country just follows his example. Explanations of how, exactly, he'll achieve those solutions come later. (See: "Make America Great Again"). These similarities between Trump and the rebbe style of leadership could be "why a lot of Orthodox Jews are inspired by him without questioning what he says or what his views on certain issues are," said Kornbluh.

It also helps that Trump is already a familiar name in the New York Jewish community, which Abrams says gives him popularity with Hasidim. The businessman has spent decades plastering his name on buildings around New York City which has caused his brand to penetrate even the closed-off communities of Hasidim in the outer boroughs.

"It's strong name recognition," Abrams said. "They know the name, they know the brand."

Yossi Gestetner, a Hasidic political consultant and commentator, agrees. He pointed out that "Trump has a long history of being friendly to people in the Jewish community." Trump himself touts his history of being close to his hometown's Jewish community, citing examples like his being grand marshal in the Israeli Day Parade down Fifth Avenue several years ago.

He also has a personal connection to the Jewish community that no other Republican presidential candidate does — Orthodox Jewish family members. Trump's daughter Ivanka converted to Orthodox Judaism in 2009 and is married to a high-profile Orthodox real estate businessman, Jared Kushner. She has openly discussed how her family keeps Kosher and observes the Jewish holiday of Shabbat every weekend.

Both Ivanka and Kushner, along with their children, have been highly visible surrogates for Trump on the campaign trail. Abrams says "there's a subtle appreciation for that in a way that the other ... candidates can't possibly connect with this community."

Trump has not actively sought the support of the ultra-Orthodox, but he has not turned it away. Last February, he accepted an endorsement from Algemeiner, an Orthodox-leaning newspaper based in Brooklyn. At the ceremony, Trump thanked Ivanka, who introduced her father. "I want to thank my Jewish daughter. I have a Jewish daughter," he said at the event. "This wasn't in the plan, but I'm very glad it happened."

Still, many Hasidim and those who closely track the political climate of the community pointed out that the discussion around the election among the ultra-Orthodox may not actually translate into votes. Gestetner agrees there is a genuine buzz of interest about Trump's candidacy within his community but he is skeptical whether Hasidim will actually turnout for Trump in the New York primary, which is not until April 19. He also says many Hasidim he knows support Cruz.

Trump's popularity in the Hasidic community right now, says Gestetner, "is conversational, it's an amusement thing." And just like everywhere else in the country, a large part of the conversation right now is about Trump.

"Politics is the sport of Hasidim," said Gestetner. And those who follow politics as closely as fanatic sports fans, "see [Trump] as the winning team."

fmt4

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 10:40 am

Simple1

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 10:49 am

Chassidim in particular, as a group? Not my Chassidish friend. She said she and her husband will vote for Hillary, if it's between her and Trump.

We had a thread a while ago "Why are frum people voting for Trump." And since then, from reading and talking to people, I have not found that to be the case at all.

Some examples I've seen: My dds 12th grade current events teacher is encouraging the girls to register and vote against Trump for the primaries. A writer of a weekly column in a Lakewood magazine is vehemently against Trump. Others I spoke to think he's crazy. And my 12 yo wanted to know why Trump is winning if no one likes him.

But whatever - this is not a chassidish/frum thing - a lot of people obviously like him as he's really ahead, and so far his wins were in largely non-Jewish states.

wondergirl

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 10:51 am

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There have not been any polls of Hasidic voters ahead of the primary election, so much of the evidence of support for Trump within these communities so far has been anecdotal.

This.

Also, I am not sure which chasidishe group(s) this article is referring to but chasidim generally are democrats so it would be interesting if they vote for Trump since he is running on the republican ticket. However, lots of chasidim are involved in real estate which is Trumps specialty so that may be the reason why it seems as though chasidim may support him. Only time will tell.

mommy3b2c

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 10:52 am

youngishbear wrote:

Well youngish bear! I must say that was quite insulting. Not everyone who supports trump has limited intellectual capacity.

youngishbear

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 10:53 am

mommy2b2c wrote:

Well youngish bear! I must say that was quite insulting. Not everyone who supports trump has limited intellectual capacity.

I know I was half kidding.

The guy in the article made such a ridiculous comparison that I threw out a bombastic statement of my own.

Pot calling the kettle black and all. (Must be the stolen hour of sleep.)

Maya

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 11:07 am

wondergirl wrote:

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There have not been any polls of Hasidic voters ahead of the primary election, so much of the evidence of support for Trump within these communities so far has been anecdotal.

No, Chassidim vote Republican in general presidential elections.

I see lots of support for Trump among our friends in the chassidish world, but I think the comparison to a Rebbe is ridiculous. They support him for the same reason anybody else does (the racism and under-education plays a part in it, as it does for supporters all over the country)

Maya

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 11:07 am

mommy2b2c wrote:

Well youngish bear! I must say that was quite insulting. Not everyone who supports trump has limited intellectual capacity.

Right, not EVERYONE. Wink

Maya

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 11:11 am

Whoever is hugging every single one of my posts on this entire board, you are a pathetic excuse for an adult. Stop acting like a passive aggressive child.

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wondergirl

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 11:13 am

Maya wrote:

So are you saying that they (and all the racists, uneducated Americans) didn't vote for Obama? Twice?

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Maya

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 11:13 am

wondergirl wrote:

So are you saying that they didn't vote for Obama?

No way! Obama is the most reviled person on earth among Chassidim.

Maya

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 11:16 am

Please stop hugging my posts. Please.

youngishbear

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 11:17 am

Maya wrote:

No way! Obama is the most reviled person on earth among Chassidim.

Amongst right-wingers period.

Maya

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 11:18 am

youngishbear wrote:

Amongst right-wingers period.

Yes but the poster asked specifically about Chassidim.

youngishbear

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 11:21 am

Maya wrote:

Yes but the poster asked specifically about Chassidim.

True. And if anyone was "a Rebbe with a vision" it was him lol.

But change is anathema to chassidim so maybe that's why his campaign didn't impress them.

There was an article many years ago in the Jewish Press (iirc) titled "Lonely, Orthodox, and Liberal." I should dig it out of my files because it's only gotten lonelier since.

wondergirl

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 11:23 am

Maya wrote:

No way! Obama is the most reviled person on earth among Chassidim.

But he gave everyone health insurance, legalized millions of illegal aliens (or tried to anyway), and did everything he can to help change America for the better. He made a great deal with Iran, ignoring what Israel had to say about it (and since Chasidim are anti-Israel, then they must have supported it and been happy with it), etc. So why would you say that Obama is not well liked by the chasidim?

youngishbear

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 11:25 am

wondergirl wrote:

Talk about blanket statements.

Chassidim are not all anti-Israel, for starters.

DrMom

Sun, Mar 13 2016, 11:26 am

Maya wrote:

Whoever is hugging every single one of my posts on this entire board, you are a pathetic excuse for an adult. Stop acting like a passive aggressive child.

I'm not the hugger, but I think your posts on this thread have been rather passive-aggressive. If you can't take it, don't dish it out...