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PinkFridge




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 9:27 am
Maya wrote:
I can't even.


Finish the sentence or your schooling will be called into question! Very Happy
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Amarante




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 9:45 am
amother wrote:
What is he saying that is a lie?


Here's a start - this is a non-partisan site. It's widely accepted that Trump lies with impunity.

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/.....hits/

http://www.factcheck.org/person/donald-trump/

Here's a very nuanced analysis of the "facts" and half truths in Trump's acceptance speech.

Trump appeals to a group of people who in my opinion are fairly unsophisticated in terms of their analysis of what is being said. Either they don't read news from a wide variety or sources of they get their information from biased sources.

I think Hillary has flaws of course but it is very telling to me that a significant number of Republican foreign policy experts have endorsed her over Trump - a first for any recent Presidential election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com....._most
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Amarante




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 9:54 am
amother wrote:
Donald and Pence both said in their speech that they stand strong with their biggest alley Israel! Killary would never ever say it out of her mouth. She is pro Palestinian and you know it.


This is a ridiculous statement in my opinion. There is no mainstream politician, including Hilary, who is pro-Palestine or anti-Israel. Israel, during Obama's administration and Hilary's tenure as Secretary of State continued to be the most important ally in the Middle East who received significant aid and assistance.

People can differ in terms of what can bring about some kind of peace and stability in the Middle East. That's very different from being pro or anti. Many Jews in the US don't support the extreme measures being taken by the Israeli government as being provocative - this doesn't mean they are pro-Palestine.
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DrMom




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 10:13 am
Loved Newt Gingrich's speech at the RNC which addressed issues of national security.
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Maya




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 10:25 am
PinkFridge wrote:
Finish the sentence or your schooling will be called into question! Very Happy

It's 2016. It IS a sentence Smile
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PinkFridge




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 10:38 am
Maya, baruch shekivanti ;-)
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DrMom




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 10:42 am
Amarante wrote:
This is a ridiculous statement in my opinion. There is no mainstream politician, including Hilary, who is pro-Palestine or anti-Israel. Israel, during Obama's administration and Hilary's tenure as Secretary of State continued to be the most important ally in the Middle East who received significant aid and assistance.

People can differ in terms of what can bring about some kind of peace and stability in the Middle East. That's very different from being pro or anti. Many Jews in the US don't support the extreme measures being taken by the Israeli government as being provocative - this doesn't mean they are pro-Palestine.

The bolded is, unfortunately, completely untrue, particularly within the Democratic Party.

And Hillary Clinton's dumped emails reveal the poisonous, anti-Israel atmosphere which permeated the State Dept under her direction. Her closest advisors, such as Israeli policy advisor Sidney Blumenthal, and (earlier) her 2008 foreign policy adviser Sandy Berger, constantly advised her on how to weaken and humiliate the Israeli govt. to force them into making dangerous concessions to the Arabs.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2016.....vice/

http://www.timesofisrael.com/m.....yahu/

http://www.timesofisrael.com/l.....rial/

Despite what she may say in public when speaking in front of AIPAC or other such audiences, this woman is a slimeball who is certainly no friend of Israel.
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happybeingamom




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 12:00 pm
As I said before I don't like both candidates but I got clarity how to vote.

I am not voting for anyone who supported the Iran Deal or will continue to support it. I felt that deal is dangerous to the world. I will vote for the candidate who is against it.
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Amarante




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 12:36 pm
DrMom wrote:
The bolded is, unfortunately, completely untrue, particularly within the Democratic Party.

And Hillary Clinton's dumped emails reveal the poisonous, anti-Israel atmosphere which permeated the State Dept under her direction. Her closest advisors, such as Israeli policy advisor Sidney Blumenthal, and (earlier) her 2008 foreign policy adviser Sandy Berger, constantly advised her on how to weaken and humiliate the Israeli govt. to force them into making dangerous concessions to the Arabs.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2016.....vice/
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http://www.timesofisrael.com/m.....yahu/

http://www.timesofisrael.com/l.....rial/

Despite what she may say in public when speaking in front of AIPAC or other such audiences, this woman is a slimeball who is certainly no friend of Israel.


I don't want to get into a debate about it but the articles your u cited contained a few emails which were advice from people. It's contained nothing regarding other forms of advice or that anything was done regarding that advice. They are meaningless in terms of showing she is pro Palestine

I don't view Clinton or the Obama administration as anti Israel or pro Palestine.

Even citizens of their own country can disagree with policies or nit support their governkent on certain actions without being deemed as anti their country or not a patriot. I was vehemently against the Bush wars and thought his foreign policies were dangerous and unstsbiozed the middle East. Does that make me an American traitor or anti America?

Same thing goes for viewing the acts if another government. I can be critical of actions of Israeli leaders without being anti Israel or pro Palestine. The world is much too complicated to engage in black and white thinking especially foreign policy in an unstable and strategically important area. People can believe in the right of safe existence for Israel and differ in tactics. Does everyone in Israel support the current government. Are dissidents anti Israel?
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gande




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 12:50 pm
Maya, you accuse me of name calling Hillary, and then you go on name call me directly. I do not have the greatest writing skills but I am not stupid at all.
In lazy I mean lazy to clean up her mess. She loves to meddle in everyone's buisness and then backs out when things get out of hand. As Donald Trump pointed out last night, she mixed into almost every country in the middle east and left them in a much worse state than they were before. I call that a good for nothing.

Donald on the way other hand is the first to manage uncomfortable situations help people heal as one daughter testified. He is a man, while Hillary is a coward..

Disclamer: I am not an avid Trump fan and I do have reservations about him but if you think with your brain and not only your emotions you will see that there is are big difference s between the two. What seems bad about Trump is not so terrible and what seems good about hillary is baloney.
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allthingsblue




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 1:08 pm
gande wrote:
Maya, you accuse me of name calling Hillary, and then you go on name call me directly. I do not have the greatest writing skills but I am not stupid at all.
In lazy I mean lazy to clean up her mess. She loves to meddle in everyone's buisness and then backs out when things get out of hand. As Donald Trump pointed out last night, she mixed into almost every country in the middle east and left them in a much worse state than they were before. I call that a good for nothing.

Donald on the way other hand is the first to manage uncomfortable situations help people heal as one daughter testified. He is a man, while Hillary is a coward..

Disclamer: I am not an avid Trump fan and I do have reservations about him but if you think with your brain and not only your emotions you will see that there is are big difference s between the two. What seems bad about Trump is not so terrible and what seems good about hillary is baloney.


Yes, it's really manly to insult a war veteran, make fun of a handicapped man, and insult women's appearances. Very manly.
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allthingsblue




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 1:12 pm
Oh, and does it not scare anyone that Trump would consider forcing his White House employees to sign a no disclosure agreement at risk of getting sued for breaching it?
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Amarante




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 1:23 pm
gande wrote:
Maya, you accuse me of name calling Hillary, and then you go on name call me directly. I do not have the greatest writing skills but I am not stupid at all.
In lazy I mean lazy to clean up her mess. She loves to meddle in everyone's buisness and then backs out when things get out of hand. As Donald Trump pointed out last night, she mixed into almost every country in the middle east and left them in a much worse state than they were before. I call that a good for nothing.

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You are ignoring history. Dubya created the mess by invading Iraq based on lies about WMD. From that imbeliac act, he completely destabilized the area and created an atmosphere ipenabling terrorist propaganda to find fertile soil.

We are still trying to clean up all the messes created by the Bush administration including the financial collapse of 2008 which happened during his administration.
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treestump




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 1:24 pm
amother wrote:
Ever tried arguing with a liberal? Don't even bother. It's either their way or no way. 😶


It's funny, because I've experienced the same with Trump supporters irl. I've tried bringing facts, analysis and logic to the table yet met a vehement wall of denial and raw emotion.
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Deep




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 1:30 pm
Amarante wrote:
You are ignoring history. Dubya created the mess by invading Iraq based on lies about WMD. From that imbeliac act, he completely destabilized the area and created an atmosphere ipenabling terrorist propaganda to find fertile soil.

We are still trying to clean up all the messes created by the Bush administration including the financial collapse of 2008 which happened during his administration.


Yes! I do not live in the US (I do hold citizenship). I was looking for entertainment while cleaning up last night and tuned in to the RNC. As soon as Trump blamed the entire middle east crisis on Hillary, I turned it off. Seriously, how can someone so blatantly ignorant be running for the world's highest office?! Ivanka, on the other hand, comes across as quite intelligent and knowledgeable. I'm dying to know what she really thinks of her dad.
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marina




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 1:34 pm
amother wrote:
Everything? Geez, how could one person lie sooo much? I guess in your eyes, the police are not being attacked, there is no violence in the streets, the government is protecting its own citizens over illegal aliens, etc. Yup. Shows how much you know about what is going on in this country. Its ironic that you project your own ignorance onto Trump supporters.

But here is his speech, feel free to point out each individual lie that you feel Trump is saying instead of just generalizing it to "everything"..

http://www.cnn.com/videos/poli.....h.cnn


There are many cites that immediately fact checked him. Feel free to read these results for yourself and see how data can be manipulated or wholly invented. Here's an article:
http://time.com/4418357/republ.....heck/

Here's an example:

Quote:
“The number of police officers killed in the line of duty has risen by almost 50% compared to this point last year.”

Again, that number is strictly true, but it lacks context. If you exclude the vast majority of officers who are killed by illnesses, heart attacks, or accidents — drowning, weather, car and motorcycle crashes — an average of about 50 to 60 officers are killed on-duty every year. In 2014, 60 police officers were killed by gunfire, assault or explosives. In 2015, 56 police officers were killed in the same way. So far in 2016, 42 officers have been killed by gunfire or assault.

According to data compiled by the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, between 2009 and 2015, under Obama, there were 17% fewer police officer fatalities that there were between 2002 and 2008, under George W. Bush.


Here's another example:
Quote:

“Nearly 180,000 illegal immigrants with criminal records, ordered deported from our country, are tonight roaming free to threaten peaceful citizens.”

Tens of thousands of undocumented immigrants do indeed have “criminal convictions,” according to federal data, but many of them are for crimes resulting from being in the country illegally — like breaking immigration laws, evading deportation notices, or driving without a license. There’s no data on murders committed by illegal immigrants.

The Obama Administration’s Department of Homeland Security has come under criticism from the left for presiding over the deportation of more undocumented immigrants than any other president in history, according to a Reuters analysis of Immigration and Customs Enforcement data. In 2013, the Department of Homeland Security deported 438,421 people, and in 2014, it deported 414,481 more—nearly 60,000 more than the previous record-high, in 2008, under Bush.
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marina




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 1:38 pm
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Loved Newt Gingrich's speech at the RNC which addressed issues of national security.


I stopped listening when he told us that all Israelis were afraid to leave their homes, fearing for their very lives.

If that's not fearmongering, I dk what is.
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Amarante




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 1:38 pm
Deep wrote:
Yes! I do not live in the US (I do hold citizenship). I was looking for entertainment while cleaning up last night and tuned in to the RNC. As soon as Trump blamed the entire middle east crisis on Hillary, I turned it off. Seriously, how can someone so blatantly ignorant be running for the world's highest office?! Ivanka, on the other hand, comes across as quite intelligent and knowledgeable. I'm dying to know what she really thinks of her dad.


Watching her speech made me think I had tuned into the Democratic convention as the Republican platform explicitly does not support any of the pro female laws and protections and want to abolish them. She was actually talking about Hilary and not the Donald.

Same thing regarding republican support for civil rights as they fought tooth and nail against any legislation establishing the civil rights starting in 1964.

Spams for the record, they also fought Medicare back in 1965 and are still attempting to kill it with schemes to privatize it.
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marina




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 1:51 pm
In my experience, people who are die-hard Trump supporters are often people who are just anxious and worried about the state of the world, and they would have been that way 20 years ago under any president. The sky, for these people, is always falling.

Also Trump supporters are often not too big into fact checking. They take him at his word and they don't really care that he tells the truth 11% of the time (as rated by neutral fact checking organizations).

Sometimes, these supporters are not into doing research, even into their own beliefs. These people might be voting for Trump because Obama and the rest of the Democrats are turning our country into a socialist haven. But these people really haven't, in my experience, researched the rise of the economy under Obama and they haven't, for example considered how Trump's desire to bring back the Glass-Steagall act would affect the economy. This act would break up the 6 largest banks, essentially forbidding private businesses from certain economic investments. This was also a large part of Bernie Sander's platform.

In my experience, many Trump supporters are simply unaware of the complexity of all these factors.

They are also often not researching the Constitution and how some of Trump's ideas may really violate the Amendments. It's a complete waste of time to even talk about treating American Muslims differently than others based on their religions, closing mosques etc ( I know he's gone back and forth on this) or to threaten journalists with libel etc.

Finally, and I've said this before and I stand by it, if you are voting for Trump you are most likely okay with electing- to the highest office in the country- a person who makes bigoted and misogynistic statements in public. Someone who makes fun of disabled people, who talks about his daughter's breasts, his p3nis size, women's periods, etc. Perhaps you think he has other redeeming qualities, but you are okay with that kind of leader.

Let me be very clear: I do not think Trump supporters are idiots. Not at all. Some may have done all the research and come to an informed conclusion. But many others - despite their intelligence - just trust this guy and get sucked into fear mongering, perhaps because of anxiety or social factors, etc. People can be very very intelligent and still be swept along with the crowd or just make wrong calls.
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marina




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jul 22 2016, 1:57 pm
Deep wrote:
Yes! I do not live in the US (I do hold citizenship). I was looking for entertainment while cleaning up last night and tuned in to the RNC. As soon as Trump blamed the entire middle east crisis on Hillary, I turned it off. Seriously, how can someone so blatantly ignorant be running for the world's highest office?! Ivanka, on the other hand, comes across as quite intelligent and knowledgeable. I'm dying to know what she really thinks of her dad.


I kind of liked Eric Trump's speech, at least the end of it. I think he would make a much better Trump than Trump.
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