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Aribenj




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Aug 14 2016, 11:07 am
I recently went trough a miscarriage At 10 weeks and have been looking for some kind chizuk in a Dvar Torah or a Jewish book on miscarriages and it simply does not exist!

There are one or two Jewish websites with pregnancy loss stories but no official rabbinical ruling, no Rebbetzins giving talks...

How can it be, that with miscarriages affecting one in four women, no one in the Jewish world talks about it?
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trixx




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Aug 14 2016, 11:49 am
Aribenj wrote:
I recently went trough a miscarriage At 10 weeks and have been looking for some kind chizuk in a Dvar Torah or a Jewish book on miscarriages and it simply does not exist!

There are one or two Jewish websites with pregnancy loss stories but no official rabbinical ruling, no Rebbetzins giving talks...

How can it be, that with miscarriages affecting one in four women, no one in the Jewish world talks about it?


Chizuk http://m.chabad.org/search/key.....e.htm

Book
https://www.mikvah.org/mall/ca....._knew

I don't think it's taboo, just so sensitive and painful, and usually private for most women.

Also, what kind of rabbinical ruling are you looking for? Halacha is pretty factual and would only address the logistics of state of niddah, when to next go to mikvah, etc. It won't offer any emotional advice or consolation. There's not much for rabbanim to "rule" on this topic. There are kabbalistic explanations for the purpose of that soul (linked above) but you won't hear most rabbis talking about that.
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flowerpower




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Aug 14 2016, 11:54 am
Atime had a phone lecture on it a few weeks ago. They send a pregnancy loss package that includes a book of chizzuk.
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Amelia Bedelia




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Aug 14 2016, 11:55 am
Contact A T.I.M.E regarding their pregnancy loss packets.

Eta: Oops, I see we cross posted.
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Rutabaga




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Aug 14 2016, 11:58 am
There are organizations that will send you a packet of divrei chizzuk after a miscarriage. I've heard that both ATIME and Knafayim do so.

I'm sorry for your loss. Hug
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Aribenj




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Aug 14 2016, 12:09 pm
trixx wrote:
Chizuk http://m.chabad.org/search/key.....e.htm

Book
https://www.mikvah.org/mall/ca....._knew

I don't think it's taboo, just so sensitive and painful, and usually private for most women.

Also, what kind of rabbinical ruling are you looking for? Halacha is pretty factual and would only address the logistics of state of niddah, when to next go to mikvah, etc. It won't offer any emotional advice or consolation. There's not much for rabbanim to "rule" on this topic. There are kabbalistic explanations for the purpose of that soul (linked above) but you won't hear most rabbis talking about that.


I guess what I mean is there is no traditional position on how to feel, how to deal/cope, what it all means, why it happens, or spirituality related to any of it... And you would think that since Judaism has a position on every single aspect of life, something that affects 25% of pregnancies would be mentioned somewhere...
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momsrus




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Aug 15 2016, 7:33 pm
The following letter by Rabbi Moshe Wolfson was written to a woman following a miscarriage. I had a painful miscarriage ten years ago, and this gave me so much chizuk. Hope it helps you too…

I would like to express a number of thoughts which I hope will, to a certain degree, ease your situation. It is possible that my words will offer you nothing new, but my feelings of sympathy impel me to try…

In Heaven there is a Heichal HaNeshamos, a Sanctuary of Souls, the source from which all the souls come. The Final Redemption will not come until all souls have left this Sanctuary and descended to this world (see Yevamos 62A).

Each soul has its own unique mission to fulfill in this world, and is allotted the life-span necessary to fulfill that mission. Some souls belong to a very exalted class. They are of such a sublime nature, so holy, sparkling and brilliant, that they simply cannot bear to exist in this world for even a short time. However, they too must leave the Sanctuary of Souls so that it will be emptied, and for other reasons known only to Hashem.

And so Hashem chooses a particular couple that will draw such a soul down to this world. It departs its place near the Throne of Glory and is immediately placed in an environment in which it is at home– an environment which is Divine in nature.

A woman who is with child carries within herself not only a child, but an entire Garden of Eden as well. A flame from the hidden light of Creation shines above the child’s head, and by that light the child sees from one end of the world to the other. A heavenly angel learns the entire Torah with the child. All this occurs with every Jewish child.

However, those special souls of which we have spoken cannot bear to separate themselves from their sublime existence by living in this earthly world. And so they are spared this discomfort and are returned to their Father in Heaven, having fulfilled their mission by leaving the Sanctuary of Souls, and residing within their mother, thus bringing the world one step closer to the Final Redemption.

And what of the mother, who had endured, hoped, and in the end was so terribly disappointed? She is of flesh and blood, and her feelings are understandable.

However, in loftier moments, in moments when her intellect can overcome her emotions, the mother can free herself of her earthly thoughts and share in the elation enjoyed by her soul. Then she will become infused by a feeling of true joy–the joy of a wealthy person who takes reckoning of all his business endeavors and sees that his profits far outweigh his losses.

She has merited to have had as her guest a pure, holy soul accompanied by a Divine light, a heavenly angel, and a heavenly Torah. The Master of the Universe had created a beis medrash, a study hall, for this soul within her. And when this soul left her, some of the holiness that had entered her remained, and will not leave her for the rest of her life.

She has merited to bring Moshiach’s arrival closer by offering a sacrifice for this purpose. She is not left with a mother’s usual compensation; all that she has endured has been for the sake of Hashem and His people, not for her personal joy and satisfaction. She has served not as a worker who awaits immediate payment, but as a loyal soldier, who is ready to suffer wounds in battle, if necessary, solely for the glory of the King…

One should realize that the term “miscarriage” is not found in the believing Jew’s dictionary. The term implies that one’s efforts have ended in failure, that all has been in vain. This is incorrect, for when a Jewish woman becomes pregnant, it is never in vain. Moreover, a child will merit techiyas hameisim, resurrection of the dead, even if its time with its mother was short-lived (see Igros Mosh, Yoreh De’ah III, 138)

May the Master of the Universe grant you nachas and good health. May you merit to bring into this world and raise healthy children and grandchildren who will toil in Torah study and mitzvos. May you and your husband derive much joy and satisfaction from your family and together escort your children to the chuppah with joy and feelings of gratitude to the One Above.

May you, along with all of the Jewish people, merit to greet Moshiach– whose arrival you have brought closer.

Reproduced from Service of the Heart by Rabbi Moshe Wolfson (translated from Yiddish by Rabbi Shimon Finkelman) with permission of the copyright holders, ArtScroll / Mesorah Publications, Ltd.
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nnmom




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Aug 15 2016, 7:44 pm
Thanks you momsrus for posting.
Reading this has brought tears to my eyes.

I had a 12 week miscarriage a couple months ago. I'm still feeling sad from time to time because I haven't had the chance to try to get pg again. It feels like this suffering was for nothing and my body is failing me. This is a glimmer of hope, a reminder to think beyond the here and now.
I am sorry for all of those who are suffering.


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PinkFridge




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Aug 15 2016, 8:04 pm
Big hugs to everyone.
It's hard because there is such a feeling of loss, but no mandating mourning. Having sat shiva though, I can't imagine how hellish it would be to have to do it after a mis.
Years ago I heard a shiur on shiva and the metaphysics. Halachic mourning definitely has some great psychological benefits but it's also a matter of what the neshama needs. When mourning isn't halachically mandated, it means that that neshama doesn't need it to get its reward in the next world, which applies to other situations too.
That doesn't mean that we here don't need something. Try to take some time off to reflect. Be kind to yourself. And on a practical level, as hormones get back to stasis it can feel like PMS cubed. At least that was my experience. I think that had I known of the possibility I would have had an easier time dealing with the hormonal flux.
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acemom




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Aug 15 2016, 8:20 pm
momsrus wrote:
The following letter by Rabbi Moshe Wolfson was written to a woman following a miscarriage. I had a painful miscarriage ten years ago, and this gave me so much chizuk. Hope it helps you too…

I would like to express a number of thoughts which I hope will, to a certain degree, ease your situation. It is possible that my words will offer you nothing new, but my feelings of sympathy impel me to try…

In Heaven there is a Heichal HaNeshamos, a Sanctuary of Souls, the source from which all the souls come. The Final Redemption will not come until all souls have left this Sanctuary and descended to this world (see Yevamos 62A).

Each soul has its own unique mission to fulfill in this world, and is allotted the life-span necessary to fulfill that mission. Some souls belong to a very exalted class. They are of such a sublime nature, so holy, sparkling and brilliant, that they simply cannot bear to exist in this world for even a short time. However, they too must leave the Sanctuary of Souls so that it will be emptied, and for other reasons known only to Hashem.

And so Hashem chooses a particular couple that will draw such a soul down to this world. It departs its place near the Throne of Glory and is immediately placed in an environment in which it is at home– an environment which is Divine in nature.

A woman who is with child carries within herself not only a child, but an entire Garden of Eden as well. A flame from the hidden light of Creation shines above the child’s head, and by that light the child sees from one end of the world to the other. A heavenly angel learns the entire Torah with the child. All this occurs with every Jewish child.

However, those special souls of which we have spoken cannot bear to separate themselves from their sublime existence by living in this earthly world. And so they are spared this discomfort and are returned to their Father in Heaven, having fulfilled their mission by leaving the Sanctuary of Souls, and residing within their mother, thus bringing the world one step closer to the Final Redemption.

And what of the mother, who had endured, hoped, and in the end was so terribly disappointed? She is of flesh and blood, and her feelings are understandable.

However, in loftier moments, in moments when her intellect can overcome her emotions, the mother can free herself of her earthly thoughts and share in the elation enjoyed by her soul. Then she will become infused by a feeling of true joy–the joy of a wealthy person who takes reckoning of all his business endeavors and sees that his profits far outweigh his losses.

She has merited to have had as her guest a pure, holy soul accompanied by a Divine light, a heavenly angel, and a heavenly Torah. The Master of the Universe had created a beis medrash, a study hall, for this soul within her. And when this soul left her, some of the holiness that had entered her remained, and will not leave her for the rest of her life.

She has merited to bring Moshiach’s arrival closer by offering a sacrifice for this purpose. She is not left with a mother’s usual compensation; all that she has endured has been for the sake of Hashem and His people, not for her personal joy and satisfaction. She has served not as a worker who awaits immediate payment, but as a loyal soldier, who is ready to suffer wounds in battle, if necessary, solely for the glory of the King…

One should realize that the term “miscarriage” is not found in the believing Jew’s dictionary. The term implies that one’s efforts have ended in failure, that all has been in vain. This is incorrect, for when a Jewish woman becomes pregnant, it is never in vain. Moreover, a child will merit techiyas hameisim, resurrection of the dead, even if its time with its mother was short-lived (see Igros Mosh, Yoreh De’ah III, 138)

May the Master of the Universe grant you nachas and good health. May you merit to bring into this world and raise healthy children and grandchildren who will toil in Torah study and mitzvos. May you and your husband derive much joy and satisfaction from your family and together escort your children to the chuppah with joy and feelings of gratitude to the One Above.

May you, along with all of the Jewish people, merit to greet Moshiach– whose arrival you have brought closer.

Reproduced from Service of the Heart by Rabbi Moshe Wolfson (translated from Yiddish by Rabbi Shimon Finkelman) with permission of the copyright holders, ArtScroll / Mesorah Publications, Ltd.


I was going to post this. I know several people who were comforted by it.
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