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amother
Ginger


 

Post Mon, Sep 12 2016, 6:33 pm
Amother for privacy.
My son is five. He has SPD. He has had behavioral issues his whole life. When it was just him, I could handle it. I poured my heart and soul into him for 4 years, until my second was old enough to need some attention.
Now I'm pregnant, and have him and another one and I HATE him. He's regressed so much the past 6 months that he's on the level he was when he was 2.5, which was his absolute worst. But now he's stronger and smarter and trickier. He hurts me and his sister hourly. Anything she touches he grabs away. He walks or runs up to us and pinches or hits for no reason. He bit me today. He refuses to eat and then tantrums that he's hungry. He climbs on multiple chairs and stools stacked to reach Shabbos treats. He says mean mean things like " I'm going to kill you and rip your head off" "I'm going to smash your stuff and make you bleed and cut off everything"
He wants me to do everything for him. Even with modeling he rarely asks for anything, only demands and screams and tears the house apart. He licks me ( I cannot stand that) and

And if you tell me I'm a bad mother I will collapse. Everyone judges me for his behavior. I use positive reinforcement all the time. I walk away when it is too much. I yell less than once a day, sometimes not for a week. I model the correct way to request things, he has sticker charts for speaking nicely and saying I'm sorry right away ( I don't think saying I'm sorry helps, but it does help to de-escalate the situation- sometimes he acts out without realizing and giving him the correct way to respond helps HIM.) I do EVERYTHING for my child and every once in a while I see a little bit of the boy I love until that disappears.
I'm at the end of my rope. I cry myself to sleep at night because I just don't know what to do. The house is a wreck. I have no koach to clean the same mess over and over. I feel like I'm on a mouse wheel and I can't get off. I take care of one thing and turn around and there are 10 more things that need to get done.

Please please only helpful comments and please don't say it's my fault that I don't discipline him better. I've read so many books.
Despite what I expected my little one is so sweet. She literally just wiped away one of my tears. Yes she has her moments but overall she is manageable.
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amother
Beige


 

Post Mon, Sep 12 2016, 6:48 pm
When my son was four, he gave me a concussion while I was trying to put him to bed. It wasn't the only time he hurt me; just the hardest one. He also once kicked a pregnant teacher in the stomach and she ended up on partial bedrest.

He is also ASD with ADHD features. Get your son a new evaluation. There is either more going on than the SPD, or the SPD is so severe he needs behavioral help anyway. Some kids defy current parenting guidelines; they need very different rules. You may be trying to teach football with a baseball rule book.

Talk to his OT about all of this (make a special appointment so you have time), and ask her for recommendations for the next move. It may be a psychologist/play therapist, or a therapist who works with you to develop a plan, or one who also works with your child. Or the OT may be able to help on her own with a changed/more comprehensive plan.

You're not a bad mom.
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amother
Amethyst


 

Post Mon, Sep 12 2016, 6:50 pm
amother wrote:
Amother for privacy.
My son is five. He has SPD. He has had behavioral issues his whole life. When it was just him, I could handle it. I poured my heart and soul into him for 4 years, until my second was old enough to need some attention.
Now I'm pregnant, and have him and another one and I HATE him. He's regressed so much the past 6 months that he's on the level he was when he was 2.5, which was his absolute worst. But now he's stronger and smarter and trickier. He hurts me and his sister hourly. Anything she touches he grabs away. He walks or runs up to us and pinches or hits for no reason. He bit me today. He refuses to eat and then tantrums that he's hungry. He climbs on multiple chairs and stools stacked to reach Shabbos treats. He says mean mean things like " I'm going to kill you and rip your head off" "I'm going to smash your stuff and make you bleed and cut off everything"
He wants me to do everything for him. Even with modeling he rarely asks for anything, only demands and screams and tears the house apart. He licks me ( I cannot stand that) and

And if you tell me I'm a bad mother I will collapse. Everyone judges me for his behavior. I use positive reinforcement all the time. I walk away when it is too much. I yell less than once a day, sometimes not for a week. I model the correct way to request things, he has sticker charts for speaking nicely and saying I'm sorry right away ( I don't think saying I'm sorry helps, but it does help to de-escalate the situation- sometimes he acts out without realizing and giving him the correct way to respond helps HIM.) I do EVERYTHING for my child and every once in a while I see a little bit of the boy I love until that disappears.
I'm at the end of my rope. I cry myself to sleep at night because I just don't know what to do. The house is a wreck. I have no koach to clean the same mess over and over. I feel like I'm on a mouse wheel and I can't get off. I take care of one thing and turn around and there are 10 more things that need to get done.

Please please only helpful comments and please don't say it's my fault that I don't discipline him better. I've read so many books.
Despite what I expected my little one is so sweet. She literally just wiped away one of my tears. Yes she has her moments but overall she is manageable.


See if you can get an increase in services at school and respite care. I feel for you. He seems like he needs some outside therapy, beyond what he's getting now - maybe family therapy with a behavioral specialist? Hugs.
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amother
Royalblue


 

Post Mon, Sep 12 2016, 7:01 pm
Seriously? People tell you you're a bad mom? You seem to be doing so many things right.
I have one very challenging child. I should learn from your patience.

No advice here just hugs.
Kids can be so mean.
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imasinger




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Sep 12 2016, 7:01 pm
You are so so so not a bad mother.

I agree. Get another assessment, get more help, especially behavior therapy (ABA). Parenting classes are useful for two reasons -- first, to give concrete ideas of how to deal with challenging kids, and second, to connect you with a support network of other families, so you don't feel so alone. And consider looking for social skills groups, where your DS can learn along with similarly challenged/challenging peers.

Hugs! We need to be here for each other, because many of us have times where we feel like you do.

It comes from hopelessness and frustration. Once the regression starts disappearing, I'll bet you will find him a lot easier to love.
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mommy3b2c




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Sep 12 2016, 7:06 pm
You are not a bad mom.

I know what you mean when you say you hate him . You don't. Really, you love him so much that it hurts. You hate the way he acts. You hate the way he makes you cry. Usually when someone repeatedly hurts you and makes you cry, you DO hate them. Of course you do. They deserve your hate. But in this case, you can't hate them because they are yours. And they need you.

YOU CANNOT GO ON LIKE THIS.

Your son is suffering. There is a way to help him. You just haven't found it yet. You need to keep searching. You need to take him to ots and behavioral therapists, family therapists, put him in a special Ed school. Keep talking to people.

I told everyone that I was looking for a behavioral therapist for my son. A random person who's name I don't remember gave me a name and a number. For now she seems to be the messenger to help us.

Do not give up! You will find someone to help you and things will be good.
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amother
Seashell


 

Post Mon, Sep 12 2016, 7:17 pm
Ds is now 16 and b"h we are still an pretty alive.
He has Adhd big time. Was extremely difficult in many ways. We were desperate for help and eventually found the program to work with called Total Transformation/Empowering parents by James Lehman. Cds to listen to and lots of techniques to apply which work. It was extremely helpful. maybe look it up.

Hatslocho rabbo
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amother
Apricot


 

Post Mon, Sep 12 2016, 7:37 pm
OP, the behaviors are extreme enough that it may be appropriate to consider medication despite his young age. There are milder non stimulant medications now in use that can make a huge difference in his mood and behavioral stability. You whole family is suffering. If I were you, I would consider a consultation with an excellent child psychiatrist. Once that is in place, a good behavior plan with a behaviorally oriented therapist can make a huge difference. Consistency is key.
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rachel6543




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Sep 12 2016, 9:10 pm
You sound like a great mother! No advice to give, just sending a hug.
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amother
Ruby


 

Post Mon, Sep 12 2016, 10:14 pm
Hugs
Have u ever looked into a biomedical approach?
Perhaps your son is in a reactive state due to hidden allergies or other gut related issues. If u are interested, GAPS by natasha campbell Mcbride is a good place to start.
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amother
Brunette


 

Post Mon, Sep 12 2016, 10:48 pm
I'm just here to tell you that it's okay to hate your kid. If your husband was abusive, no one would question your feelings, but somehow because we give birth to our children we are expected to love them unconditionally despite all the horrors they put us through.

I hated my son for at least a few years. Obviously I was - like you - a good and patient mom, rewards, sticker charts, consequences lots of " I love you"s and hugs, but I still hated him inside and I came to realize that was an okay response to his harmful comments and behaviors.

Those years seem to be behind us and now we go out and hang out together and he calls me for advice. So don't lose hope but what you're feeling is perfectly fine.
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morningsickness




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Sep 13 2016, 8:13 am
Just wanted to let you know what a great mom you are!

I end up raising my voice at my kiddies way more than once a week. Many times I find myself reacting to situations, instead of being proactive- the way you are being with your child. And my children are regular, well- behaved children! I can't imagine anyone blaming you for your son's behaviour!

My only advice is for you to make ME time a priority- recharge your battarries as often as you can.
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bigsis144




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Sep 13 2016, 8:20 am
rachel6543 wrote:
You sound like a great mother! No advice to give, just sending a hug.

Same. My heart goes out to you, you sound so devoted and proactive despite all the challenges DS throws your way.
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mommy3b2c




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Sep 13 2016, 8:24 am
amother wrote:
I'm just here to tell you that it's okay to hate your kid. If your husband was abusive, no one would question your feelings, but somehow because we give birth to our children we are expected to love them unconditionally despite all the horrors they put us through.

I hated my son for at least a few years. Obviously I was - like you - a good and patient mom, rewards, sticker charts, consequences lots of " I love you"s and hugs, but I still hated him inside and I came to realize that was an okay response to his harmful comments and behaviors.

Those years seem to be behind us and now we go out and hang out together and he calls me for advice. So don't lose hope but what you're feeling is perfectly fine.


Wrong. Not okay to hate your kid. Glad things worked out for you.
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amother
Firebrick


 

Post Tue, Sep 13 2016, 8:42 am
My son went for an evaluation and the therapist said he was one or a combination of these: with autisim, ADHD, ODD, and OCD with major SPD. At age 3. He was absolutely insane, trying to literally kill his siblings, run away from home repeatedly, never made eye contact, etc...He made it very difficult to like him, let alone love him.
Well, when he was 3.5 we found out he had been badly abused by his babysitter and started intensive 3x/w therapy. Two years later, there's no autisim. No ADHD, No ODD, no OCD, and no SPD. He is a completely transformed, normal, sweet, adjusted kid. he has friend. he listens to adults. he cooperates. he eats! tantrums are minimal and at the normal range for his age. he goes to a regular school and has friends and learns easily.
I am not saying your child was abused, but I do want to put that possibility out there.

Also, I wanted to say that at the time, the hardest thing to do was love him. After we found out about the abuse, it was so simple and natural, because we saw his behavior as an expression of desperation due to his pain. Love was his main medicine in his recovery. Even if your child was not abused, you can still think that you are giving him the best medicine to love him.
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amother
Denim


 

Post Tue, Sep 13 2016, 12:15 pm
amother wrote:
My son went for an evaluation and the therapist said he was one or a combination of these: with autisim, ADHD, ODD, and OCD with major SPD. At age 3. He was absolutely insane, trying to literally kill his siblings, run away from home repeatedly, never made eye contact, etc...He made it very difficult to like him, let alone love him.
Well, when he was 3.5 we found out he had been badly abused by his babysitter and started intensive 3x/w therapy. Two years later, there's no autisim. No ADHD, No ODD, no OCD, and no SPD. He is a completely transformed, normal, sweet, adjusted kid. he has friend. he listens to adults. he cooperates. he eats! tantrums are minimal and at the normal range for his age. he goes to a regular school and has friends and learns easily.
I am not saying your child was abused, but I do want to put that possibility out there.

Also, I wanted to say that at the time, the hardest thing to do was love him. After we found out about the abuse, it was so simple and natural, because we saw his behavior as an expression of desperation due to his pain. Love was his main medicine in his recovery. Even if your child was not abused, you can still think that you are giving him the best medicine to love him.



WOW
How did you realise that ....
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chani8




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Sep 13 2016, 12:19 pm
amother wrote:
My son went for an evaluation and the therapist said he was one or a combination of these: with autisim, ADHD, ODD, and OCD with major SPD. At age 3. He was absolutely insane, trying to literally kill his siblings, run away from home repeatedly, never made eye contact, etc...He made it very difficult to like him, let alone love him.
Well, when he was 3.5 we found out he had been badly abused by his babysitter and started intensive 3x/w therapy. Two years later, there's no autisim. No ADHD, No ODD, no OCD, and no SPD. He is a completely transformed, normal, sweet, adjusted kid. he has friend. he listens to adults. he cooperates. he eats! tantrums are minimal and at the normal range for his age. he goes to a regular school and has friends and learns easily.
I am not saying your child was abused, but I do want to put that possibility out there.

Also, I wanted to say that at the time, the hardest thing to do was love him. After we found out about the abuse, it was so simple and natural, because we saw his behavior as an expression of desperation due to his pain. Love was his main medicine in his recovery. Even if your child was not abused, you can still think that you are giving him the best medicine to love him.


Just OMGosh. All that crazy because he was abused. Thank G-d you found out and he got the help he needs. BH. I also had a child who was nuts until we found out about the abuse and got him therapy for it. My son looked ODD for sure. After 6 weeks of EMDR he was like a new person. I remember thinking, "who is this boy?!" BH. Like you, whenever I hear of a child being violent toward his family, I want to beg them to please check for abuse issues. I am sending you a big thumbs up here for putting your story out there. May there be healing for all the little boys in the frum world who've been molested. There are so many.
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tomboy




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Sep 13 2016, 12:59 pm
Just want to say that your post made me tear up. I'm so sorry you're in so much pain and going through such an impossible time with your son. There's help for him out there. I trust you will find the right shaliach. Stay strong and please take care of yourself and take all the help you can get.
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amother
Teal


 

Post Tue, Sep 13 2016, 3:16 pm
My son was sounded a bit like yours at age 8. Itvwas hell to live with and yes I too cried myself to sleep every single night and yes I too was told it was its my fault in some way or another. Op I took him to a psychiatrist and he is doing so so so much better! Please get him evaluated!
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amother
Ginger


 

Post Tue, Sep 13 2016, 7:19 pm
first, I want to thank you for all the Chizzuk.
Yesterday was a hard day. This morning was ok, then I was called and told to pick him up from school because he was violent with teachers and kids.

We had a hard afternoon and now he's adorable again. I do love him, but between this and everything else stressing me out right now I'm having a hard time.
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