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Sadie




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Oct 09 2016, 11:40 am
amother wrote:
It's rude to make this discussion personal, using sarcasm to imply that posters on this thread (myself, I presume, since I'm the one you were responding to) are supporting him without considering the issues.


What could trump do that would make him lose your support? Hypothetically, what would it take?
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Notsobusy




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Oct 09 2016, 11:45 am
amother wrote:
It's rude to make this discussion personal, using sarcasm to imply that posters on this thread (myself, I presume, since I'm the one you were responding to) are supporting him without considering the issues.


You were the one to make it personal, you called sixofwands' post rude and offensive.

Besides, I fail to see how it was either rude or offensive, she quoted Trump himself.
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Jeanette




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Oct 09 2016, 11:46 am
amother wrote:
It's rude to make this discussion personal, using sarcasm to imply that posters on this thread (myself, I presume, since I'm the one you were responding to) are supporting him without considering the issues.


So trump was being rude when he said his supporters will follow him blindly. Did you find that offensive?
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Iymnok




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Oct 09 2016, 12:01 pm
Sadie wrote:
What could trump do that would make him lose your support? Hypothetically, what would it take?

Run against someone other than Hillary LOL
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sushilover




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Oct 09 2016, 12:04 pm
Ugh.
Reason to vote for Clinton: She isn't Trump
Reason to vote for Trump: He isn't Clinton

Vermin Supreme, anyone?
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GAP




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Oct 09 2016, 12:22 pm
Both presidential candidates have said and done things that are immoral as have many presidents and politicians before them. I'd rather place my focus on their actual policies. I'm voting for the candidate whose policies I would like to see carried out. The vulgar recordings and petty media gossip are a diversion from the real issues at hand. I hope that the candidates will not waste their time expanding on that in tonight's debate. I want to know what they will each do to improve this country.
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amother
Babyblue


 

Post Sun, Oct 09 2016, 12:25 pm
glutenless wrote:
You were the one to make it personal, you called sixofwands' post rude and offensive.

Besides, I fail to see how it was either rude or offensive, she quoted Trump himself.


It seemed as though she were claiming that *I* would support Trump without reason or cause.

How does she presume to know that about me? (It's certainly not true.)

And how are my personal thought processes (or anyone else's) relevant to the subject at hand (that we had been in the middle of discussing); to wit, whether Hillary was a participant in using questionably-legal or ethical means of intimidating Bill's assault victims into silence?
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amother
Babyblue


 

Post Sun, Oct 09 2016, 12:28 pm
Sadie wrote:
What could trump do that would make him lose your support? Hypothetically, what would it take?


Actually, until just a few weeks ago, I was set on voting for Hilary, as I wrote upthread.

But I've become very concerned about her corruption, and at this point, since unfortunately the country will pick one of the two, it seems to me that Trump is the lesser of two evils.

Many, many voters view this election that way--as having to pick the lesser of two evils.
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Notsobusy




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Oct 09 2016, 12:38 pm
amother wrote:
It seemed as though she were claiming that *I* would support Trump without reason or cause.

How does she presume to know that about me? (It's certainly not true.)

And how are my personal thought processes (or anyone else's) relevant to the subject at hand (that we had been in the middle of discussing); to wit, whether Hillary was a participant in using questionably-legal or ethical means of intimidating Bill's assault victims into silence?


I just went back and reread the whole thread, and I still don't see why you think she claimed that about you. There was a lot of back and forth, but nothing was personal until you called her rude.
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Amarante




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Oct 09 2016, 12:56 pm
YIDDISH CURSES FOR REPUBLICAN JEWS



May you be reunited in the world to come with your ancestors,
who were all socialist garment workers.

May you have a large store, and have it all dismantled by vulture capitalists.

May you grow so rich that your widow's second husband is thrilled they repealed the estate tax.

May you feast every day on chopped liver with onions, chicken soup with dumplings, baked carp with horseradish, braised meat with vegetable stew, latkes, and may every bite of it be contaminated with E. Coli, because the government gutted the E.P.A.

May you sell everything and retire to Florida just as global warming makes it uninhabitable.

May you have a rare disease and need an operation that only one surgeon in the world, the winner of the Nobel Prize for Medicine, is able to perform. And may he be unable to perform it because he doesn't take your insurance. And may that Nobel Laureate be your son.

May you live to a ripe old age, and may the only people who come visit you be Mormon missionaries.

May your state outlaw the morning-after pill the day before your daughter comes home from the NFTY (North American Federation of Temple Youth) convention.

May your son be elected President, and may you have no idea what you did with his birth certificate.

May the state of Arizona expand their definition of "suspected illegal immigrants" to "anyone who doesn't hunt."

May you live to a hundred and twenty without Social Security or Medicare.

May you grow like an onion with your head in the ground, and then may the ground be Messed.

May you make a fortune, and lose it all in one of Sheldon Adelson's casinos.

May your child give his Bar Mitzvah speech on the genius of Ayn Rand.

May your insurance company decide constipation is a pre-existing condition.

May God give you a daughter-in-law who is as kind as she is beautiful, as patient as she is rich, as wise as she is devoted, a virtuous woman in every way. And then may a ballot initiative invalidate her marriage to your Rebecca.

May the secretary your husband is schtupping depend on Planned Parenthood for her birth control.
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Sadie




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Oct 09 2016, 1:08 pm
Iymnok wrote:
Run against someone other than Hillary LOL


Seriously though, he doesn't have a choice about whom to run against. What could he himself do that would lose him your support?
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amother
Aubergine


 

Post Sun, Oct 09 2016, 2:06 pm
Amarante wrote:
YIDDISH CURSES FOR progressive JEWS



May you be reunited in the world to come with your ancestors,
who were all FRUM YIDDEN

May you have a large store, and have it all TORCHED BY AL SHARPTON'S MOB

May you feast every day on chopped liver with onions, chicken soup with dumplings, baked carp with horseradish, braised meat with vegetable stew, latkes, and may YOU REFUSE every bite of it BECAUSE THE WORKERS WERE NOT UNIONIZED.

May you sell everything and retire to Florida just as A STATE INCOME TAX IS IMPOSED

May you have a rare disease and need an operation that only one surgeon in the world, the winner of the Nobel Prize for Medicine, is able to perform. And may he be unable to perform it because he doesn't take insurance DUE TO OBAMACARE'S COST CUTTING. And may that Nobel Laureate be your son.

May you live to a ripe old age, and may the only people who come visit you be CHABAD missionaries...

May the state of Arizona expand their definition of "suspected illegal immigrants" to "anyone who doesn't VOTE DEMOCRAT"

May you live to a hundred and twenty with RATIONING OF MEDICAL CARE BASED ON AGE

May you make a fortune, and lose it all in CHRYSLER AND GM BONDS CIRCA 2009

May your child give his Bar Mitzvah speech on the genius of SAUL ALINSKY

May your insurance company decide constipation is a pre-existing condition.

May God give you a daughter-in-law who is as kind as she is beautiful, as patient as she is rich, as wise as she is devoted, a virtuous PRORESTANT woman in every way. And then may a RABBI invalidate her marriage to your SON

May the secretary your husband is schtupping BE A MAN.
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marina




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Oct 09 2016, 3:27 pm
Sadie wrote:
Seriously though, he doesn't have a choice about whom to run against. What could he himself do that would lose him your support?


I feel like if he personally launched his own Donald J. Trump Missile at Jerusalem. Maybe that would do it.

But then again, emails! Benghazi!! So maybe not.
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MagentaYenta




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Oct 09 2016, 3:34 pm
Marina I must give you kudos for your reasonable and articulate arguments, and the vast patience you have when it comes to dealing with the dissonance of the RW echo chamber. Applause
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MagentaYenta




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Oct 09 2016, 3:36 pm
Amarante wrote:
YIDDISH CURSES FOR REPUBLICAN JEWS



May you be reunited in the world to come with your ancestors,
who were all socialist garment workers.

May you have a large store, and have it all dismantled by vulture capitalists.

May you grow so rich that your widow's second husband is thrilled they repealed the estate tax.

May you feast every day on chopped liver with onions, chicken soup with dumplings, baked carp with horseradish, braised meat with vegetable stew, latkes, and may every bite of it be contaminated with E. Coli, because the government gutted the E.P.A.

May you sell everything and retire to Florida just as global warming makes it uninhabitable.

May you have a rare disease and need an operation that only one surgeon in the world, the winner of the Nobel Prize for Medicine, is able to perform. And may he be unable to perform it because he doesn't take your insurance. And may that Nobel Laureate be your son.

May you live to a ripe old age, and may the only people who come visit you be Mormon missionaries.

May your state outlaw the morning-after pill the day before your daughter comes home from the NFTY (North American Federation of Temple Youth) convention.

May your son be elected President, and may you have no idea what you did with his birth certificate.

May the state of Arizona expand their definition of "suspected illegal immigrants" to "anyone who doesn't hunt."

May you live to a hundred and twenty without Social Security or Medicare.

May you grow like an onion with your head in the ground, and then may the ground be Messed.

May you make a fortune, and lose it all in one of Sheldon Adelson's casinos.

May your child give his Bar Mitzvah speech on the genius of Ayn Rand.

May your insurance company decide constipation is a pre-existing condition.

May God give you a daughter-in-law who is as kind as she is beautiful, as patient as she is rich, as wise as she is devoted, a virtuous woman in every way. And then may a ballot initiative invalidate her marriage to your Rebecca.

May the secretary your husband is schtupping depend on Planned Parenthood for her birth control.



Applause
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WhatFor




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Oct 09 2016, 3:46 pm
Idky anyone thinks he'd be better on security than hawkish Hillary. He doesn't care about supporting Israel- he's actually talking about withdrawing funds from supporting other countries, oh including NATO. Yeah, that sounds very secure. Rolling Eyes
He doesn't see the danger of using nukes- he has no grasp on that and he'd probably nuke Syria if Putin wanted him to. And if you don't care about Syrian babies dying, then at least consider Israel's close proximity to Syria- nuclear fallout would affect Israelis too. And if you think he actually cares about Israel, I have a bridge to sell you. (If you're wondering why he's kissing Putin's @ss, apparently he's considered too high risk for any American institutions to loan him money so he's been getting his loans from Russia. So if you'd like America to become Putin's b1tch, certainly, by all means elect the person who's in Putin's pocket to lead this country.)
Yes, he seems like he'd keep more terrorists out of the US, he clearly senses that there's a problem with terrorism- but he has no idea what the problem actually is. He doesn't know the difference between the Kurds and the Quds forces and probably couldn't tell you anything about the difference between Shia and Sunni. All he knows is that he wants his businesses to bring him more money.
Hillary was not my first choice for President but I'm less concerned about her destabilizing America's power in the world or starting the next world war. She's far more conservative than Obama, and arguably more Conservative than her opponent, who has not so much demonstrated conservative values as an unaddressed personality disorder.
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amother
Azure


 

Post Sun, Oct 09 2016, 8:21 pm
From Harry Maryles of Emes Ve-Emunah:

There is not a doubt in my mind that Hillary Clinton is one of the worst candidates ever to run for the Presidency. Her penchant for lying has become so clear that it practically defines her. She has lied her way through all of her husbands political campaigns, denying truths she knew about her husbands infidelities. Time and again.

I am not going to mention all the women the former President ‘hit’ on; had affairs with; or s-xually assaulted. There were too many to count - culminating with a tryst with a White House intern near the end of his second term. But I’m sure his wife knew about at least some - if not all of them. And yet she continually denied knowing about them – and worse protested his innocence while smearing his female accusers on camera – most famously during a 1992 interview on 60 Minutes!

This doesn’t even take into account all of her shady business dealings as an attorney before her husband became President.

Her lies have more recently come up in her comments about missing e-mails. And her denial of giving preferential access huge donors to her charitable foundation when she was Secretary of State. There are lies with respect to political issues she claims not to have ever supported when there is clear evidence that she did (e.g the Trans Pacific Partnership). Or some of her foreign policy decisions that turned out to be disasters. Like overthrowing Ghadafi resulting in making Libya a home for terrorists who can roam free and her really terrible attitude with respect to the terrorist attacks in Benghazi that took the lives of the American Ambassador and some of his staff.

I could go on. Suffice it to say that she was an eminently beatable Presidential candidate in this transitional Presidential year. Just about any Republican candidate will have very likely beaten her in the upcoming general election. But this candidate has been given a very substantial gift. It’s huge! So huge that she will very likely win the Presidency. His name is Donald J. Trump. He is the gift that keeps on giving.

The Republican nominee has caused almost all media to focus their attention on himself. There is hardly a day goes by that he doesn’t say something that is so abhorrent that it sucks the air out of the room. What would ordinarily be a ceaseless attack against a candidate like Clinton – who brings with her so much baggage, turns out to be practically ignored.

The fact is that the media lack of sufficient attention to Mrs. Clinton’s sordid record is eminently understandable. Because her opponent is so bad that he makes her look like Mother Teresa by comparison.

So I don’t blame them at all. The latest revelation about him is a case in point. His repulsive vulgar comments made about women over ten years ago while visiting the set of a daytime soap opera for a cameo appearance, were so disgusting that even his vice presidential pick, Indiana Governor Mike Pence wouldn’t defend them. He canceled a campaign appearance after learning about it. Other prominent Republicans in office that have supported him have withdrawn their support. He was dis-invited to an appearance with other Republicans at a rally in Wisconsin yesterday. The calls for him to drop out of the race – and to be replaced with a substitute candidate have been increasing. For his part Trump has apologized (I don’t believe his apology – is there anyone that does?) and vowed to stay in the race. No surprise there.

I’m absolutely convinced that this is one area of agreement between Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Trump. Both are overjoyed about Trump being the Republican candidate for President. That is practically a guarantee that she will be the next President. (Although in this crazy election year – I would still not rule out the possibility that Trump could win!)

Do the Republicans that voted for him in the primaries regret it – knowing what they do now? I’m sure some do. But I suspect that a lot of them don’t care about what Trump says now or ever said in the past. They just want change in Washington. And if this is your main concern, then Trump is definitely your candidate. Because Clinton is the quintessential insider that will in all likelihood follow in President Obama’s footsteps on a great many issues. She is the antithesis of change.

What is truly troubling to me is the number of Orthodox Jews that have indicated to me that they will vote for Trump. It doesn’t even matter what side of the Hashkafic spectrum they reside. Whether they are Chasidic, Charedi (Yeshivish), or Centrist, - with the possible exception of the Left Wing of Modern Orthodoxy.

The mere mention of the name Clinton begets a response filled with venom about her. Some of my coreligionists are so oblivious to how unqualified Trump is - it makes me wonder about the vaunted Jewish intelligence we are all painted with. They hate Clinton so much that they will vote for a dangerous erratic self centered and vengeful narcissist that has been nothing but a constant embarrassment to this country and to every decent human being. A man that has insulted his way into being the Republican nominee.

A man who believes he can solve every problem effecting mankind because of his brilliance. A man that has knee jerk reactions to every perceived slight no matter how minor. Reactions that are so fierce; so over the top; and so determined - that he will tweet out a huge series of comments at 3 O’Clock in the morning in pure revenge.

As he did recently with a former beauty contest winner that turned against him – exposing the way he treated her after she gained some weight. He even asked his supporters to dig up [filth] about her in order to smear her and undermine her credibility! Can anyone imagine the President of the United States tweeting tons of vengeful comments about someone at 3 in the morning in the White House?!

And yet, there are far too many Orthodox Jews that tell me they are voting for him anyway. This is mind blowing! Religious Jews that hate Clinton so much they are willing to put a man that is anathema to their religious values in office!

Some will explain that it isn’t only about Clinton hatred. They will also point to his very pro Israel comments and the commitments he said he will keep as President.

I cannot understand how they can believe a man that has proven himself to be an even bigger liar than Clinton and whose values are so anathenmatic to us? He may have warm feelings for Israel and the Jewish people. But that does not make anything he says believable. Nor does it make him qualified to be the leader of the free world. A man whose behavior is so impulsive with a penchant for quick revenge that he cannot be trusted to have his finger on the nuclear trigger.

So I have one question to ask all of my Orthodox co-coreligionists who say they will still vote for Trump. What’s the matter with you?! If there was ever a person that should be completely rejected as a future President, it is Donald J. Trump. That there are so many Orthodox Jews that say they are going to vote for Trump anyway mainly because of their hatred of Clinton gives lie to the reputation Orthodox Jews have for any intelligence at all!
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sourstix




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Oct 09 2016, 10:40 pm
What for yay!!!!!!!! Finally you said what I was saying for weeks and weeks! How don't the trump supporters not see this?! Please just make some spaces between some sentences so it's just easier for those that have a little hard time reading a clump of sentences. Thanks. I hope they will even understand what your saying.

For arguments sake azure a mother. Nobody really cares what her dh has to do with her. She doesn't take any of his actions as you don't take any of your dh actions. Leave bill alone. That being said, find me one politician that doesn't lie. Ha, just cause they weren't caught, they were able to get away width it.
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moonbeam




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Oct 09 2016, 11:11 pm
Hmmmm,,,,,

Vote for a guy who once made some stupid, lewd comments or a woman who is married to a rapist and who has spent a lifetime covering for him?

Personally I would still pick Trump a million times over Clinton.

Though honestly I think we should all write in a vote for Harry Potter in protest of this joke of an election.
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shevi82




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Oct 10 2016, 6:00 am
These elections more then ever remind me of the passuk: "Lev Melachim V’sarim Byad Hashem”
The whole thing is really so Unbelievable, trump actully seemed like a joke at start. Hashem has his ways.... I will be following from the Holy land and praying that whatever happens will work out best for israel.
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