Do you know an 'un'vaccinated child with autism?

cnc

Thu, Feb 09 2017, 2:45 pm

gp2.0 wrote:

Another annoying thing about mandated vaccines is burden of proof. My 4 yo DD had chickenpox at 18 months, after which I declined the varicella vaccine because it was irrelevant to my DD. Now, in order to be accepted at school, I either have to give her the vaccine anyway, or she needs to get a blood test to check her titers. I'm leaning toward just giving her a totally unnecessary vaccine because a blood test is more hassle and probably more traumatic to a 4 yo.

I understand why I have to go through this annoying process but I wish I didn't have to.

Are the chickenpox documented?
When my dd was 2.5 I suspected she had chickenpox. My dr said to bring her in so she can document it and then she won't need the second shot. The dr said it wasn't chickenpox tho..

Hashem_Yaazor

Thu, Feb 09 2017, 6:40 pm

amother wrote:

Do your research. I haven't been in this position but I heard that it's worse to give a vaccine to a child for a disease s/he is already immune to by having had the disease. My dd had mumps when it was going around 7 years ago. I didn't vaccinate her after, but if I would, I'd have left out the mumps vaccine or at least done considerable research about the effects on the body.

You can't leave out the mumps vaccine if you're giving measles and rubella. It's all or nothing these days Sad

amother

Seashell

Sat, Feb 11 2017, 7:11 pm

gp2.0 wrote:

I had chicken pox at age 4 and later had shingles. Which 99% of people who got the vaccine don't get. And shingles can, and did in my case, infect others with chicken pox.
I still don't think your daughter should have to get the shot if she had already. Just explaining why it can be needed.

dancingqueen

Sat, Feb 11 2017, 9:09 pm

Hashem_Yaazor wrote:

I am opposed to them being mandated in the school setting. I believe every parent can make the decision on his or her own for their children.

All I'll say is that they don't stay children for long. Parents really don't know everything that their teens and young aduld children are up to, and HPV is so easy to contract. Frum kids don't get relations Ed and they don't know about all this. On the cheating threads, many of these women don't know how easily their dhs could pass hpv to them. I'm sure their parents never would have thought they were at risk for hpv. I'm short, we don't know what life will bring so better safe then sorry.

Maybe

Sat, Feb 11 2017, 10:25 pm

yksraya wrote:

wait!!!!! Do you think you "own" your kids??????

Do you want Dept of ed to decide that if you are not teaching kids about "alt marriage" you are depriving your children ?

http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/relations.....ners/

We have already seen in Massachusetts, after the legalization of same-relations marriage in 2004 by judicial fiat, that children in the public schools could not opt out of indoctrination on homosexuality. Parents were not warned about this, and their children are fair game.
One brave parent, Dave Parker, was disturbed by what he learned was being presented to his child, so he met with the principal to remonstrate. He was told he could not take his child out of the offensive, propagandistic lessons. He wouldn’t leave until the principal agreed at least to notify him in advance. Parker was then arrested and spent a night in jail.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/relations.....JD.99

https://www.google.com/?as_qdr.....orced

http://www.modernalternativehe.....gone/

I you do, then you decide which education system & healthcare provider you trust. No forcing or sneaking in drugs or school books behind my back.

gp2.0

Sat, Feb 11 2017, 10:44 pm

amother wrote:

Hey that's a good point, thanks. It's possible she would get shingles anyway because she's already carrying the varicella virus, but if the vaccine gives her a better chance of not getting shingles that makes me feel better about giving it. So at least it's not totally unnecessary.

amother

Slategray

Sat, Feb 11 2017, 11:31 pm

Maybe wrote:

The chicken pox vaccine increases the chance of brain cancer https://www.bcm.edu/news/cance.....ancer

Although if you read my previous posts you will note that I am "vaccine-hesitant", this statement is incorrect, if you read the study: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com...../full
you will see that all they know is that the body's response to chicken pox may correlate to how their body deals with glioma (a type of brain tumor) cells.

Note the last paragraph; the potential effect of the chicken pox vaccine was NOT studied at all, and only subjects of an older age were used. Specifically this sentence: "Thus, future research ascertaining whether the vaccine confers similar protection against glioma as the wild-type VZV infection is of high importance and may lend insight into the biological mechanisms at play."

So although this MAY be significant to the vaccine debate at some point, it is currently entirely irrelevant. With the information provided, the vaccine may or may not provide the same protective benefits as the wild virus. It would need to be studied further before anything can be concluded.

amother

Cerise

Sun, Feb 12 2017, 1:05 am

dancingqueen wrote:

"Better safe than sorry"

Are we that confident that the hpv vaccine is safe? It's a fairly new vaccine. How can we know for sure? Not everybody feels that the vaccine is safer than the risk without it especially for those that are not yet s-xually active.

yksraya

Sun, Feb 12 2017, 1:19 am

Maybe wrote:

Do you want Dept of ed to decide that if you are not teaching kids about "alt marriage" you are depriving your children ?

http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/rel.....ners/

We have already seen in Massachusetts, after the legalization of same-relations marriage in 2004 by judicial fiat, that children in the public schools could not opt out of indoctrination on homosexuality. Parents were not warned about this, and their children are fair game.
One brave parent, Dave Parker, was disturbed by what he learned was being presented to his child, so he met with the principal to remonstrate. He was told he could not take his child out of the offensive, propagandistic lessons. He wouldn’t leave until the principal agreed at least to notify him in advance. Parker was then arrested and spent a night in jail.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/rel.....JD.99

https://www.google.com/?as_qdr.....orced

http://www.modernalternativehe.....gone/

I you do, then you decide which education system & healthcare provider you trust. No forcing or sneaking in drugs or school books behind my back.

If you feel so threatened by the gov, why don't you just move to a third world country where you are free to control your kids every move and what drugs they are or aren't taking? Better yet, they won't even afford BC and won't get vaxxed.

princessleah

Sun, Feb 12 2017, 10:51 am

Everyone here who is so sure the HPV vaccine won't apply to their kid: Over 50% of women are infected with HPV by age 30.
It does not require your kid having a "rebellious phase" and going OTD to get it. Any of the following scenarios could pose a risk:
-- being zexually abused/molested by someone or raped (ch''v)
-- marrying a BT or convert
-- Husband with SA/cheats
-- Wife cheats

etc

Just because we're frum does not mean we're immune (pun intended)

SixOfWands

Sun, Feb 12 2017, 11:27 am

Maybe wrote:

That's not accurate.

The guy objected to a kindergarten unit on different types of families, including single parent families, mixed race families, traditional nuclear families, and -- yes -- families with gay parents. I don't call that "indoctrination" or "teaching about homoz3xuality"; I call it talking about tolerance of the diversity in our communities.

In this case, Parker demanded that he be advised in advance every time the topic of single-gender parents was mentioned. The school said it would do its best, but that it couldn't guarantee that, as it could not predict what children would say. Parker refused to leave the school without the assurance he demanded. When he refused to leave, the police were called, and he was arrested. He spent the night in jail after refusing to post $40 bail.

Here's the thing. He was seeking to impose HIS religious beliefs on the classroom. The school agreed that they would let him know if they were going to have a specific discussion. But perhaps Betsy actually has 2 daddies. Is the school required to tell her that she can't talk about their trip to the zoo, because Parker doesn't want his kid to know about it? Or if a kid simply mentions it. Why are his rights to shelter his child from he world more important than the rights of everyone else?

SixOfWands

Sun, Feb 12 2017, 11:32 am

princessleah wrote:

But we're also not immune to rebellious phases. Kids experiment. They try things we would never in a million years think that they were experimenting with or trying.

I wish I could say that all of my kids are going to enter marriage as virgins. Never experiment with drugs. Never eat treif. But I can't. I don't know. None of us do.

Read here. Read how many women admit having experimented before marriage.

Are people really willing to gamble their kids' lives that its not going to happen to them?