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amother
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Post Wed, May 17 2017, 11:41 am
What are David Friedman and Jason Greenblatt, two Trump confidantes and Trump enthusiasts, both very loyal to Trump for many years. thinking now?

What are they telling their wives and others they offer their 100% true feelings to, about how they feel Trump is doing as President?

What do they think is in store for Trump now, with the dirt thats emerging on Trump?
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amother
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Post Wed, May 17 2017, 11:45 am
Never heard of either of them
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amother
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Post Wed, May 17 2017, 11:47 am
amother wrote:
Never heard of either of them


Theyre two Orthodox Jewish lawyers who are very close to Trump.

Trump gave Israel related assignments to both.

They like Trump a lot.
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MagentaYenta




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, May 17 2017, 11:50 am
amother wrote:
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What do they think is in store for Trump now...


Absolutely nothing. The republican party will not turn their backs on him. He has already filed to run for a second term and is raising money for the run. Even if the Ds sweep midterms an impeachment isn't realistic.

Same as it ever was.
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amother
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Post Wed, May 17 2017, 12:07 pm
MagentaYenta wrote:
Absolutely nothing. The republican party will not turn their backs on him. He has already filed to run for a second term and is raising money for the run. Even if the Ds sweep midterms an impeachment isn't realistic.

Same as it ever was.


I dont agree that Trump is unimpeachable if they are faced with proof that he "obstructed justice" and it seems he did, based on Comey's memo where Trump privately asked Comey to leave Flynn alone because hes a good guy, and some other reasons.
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Post Wed, May 17 2017, 12:09 pm
amother wrote:
I dont agree that Trump is unimpeachable of they are faced with proof that he "obstructed justice" and it seems he did, based on Comey's memo where Trump privately asked Comey to leave Flynn alone because hes a good guy.

And you think the republicans will impeach him? Rolling Laughter
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amother
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Post Wed, May 17 2017, 12:11 pm
MagentaYenta wrote:
And you think the republicans will impeach him? Rolling Laughter


How is it drastically different than with Nixon?
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amother
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Post Wed, May 17 2017, 12:16 pm
amother wrote:
I dont agree that Trump is unimpeachable of they are faced with proof that he "obstructed justice" and it seems he did, based on Comey's memo where Trump privately asked Comey to leave Flynn alone because hes a good guy.

A private conversation between Trump and Comey would become a he said-she said kind of "evidence". It is not possible to know what really happened so it would not necessarily lead to the impeachment of Trump. Plus, democrats have made it clear from the start that they will resist Trump and obstruct everything he wants to do so they are essentially the ones who are obstructing justice while projecting it onto Trump.

What I find fascinating about all this is that Democrats calling for the impeachment of Trump are saying that no one is above the law. However, they are not doing anything about the illegal aliens who are breaking the laws nor are they penalizing politicians, lawyers or judges who are aiding and abetting them. So essentially we have democrats saying that Trump is not above the law but illegal aliens and all the politicians, lawyers, and judges aiding and abetting them can do whatever they want as the law does not apply to them. How can anyone take these democrats seriously if they have double standards when it comes to the applying the laws? Why are illegal aliens and the politicians, lawyers, and judges aiding and abetting them above the law?
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Post Wed, May 17 2017, 12:21 pm
amother wrote:
How is it drastically different than with Nixon?


1) The secret bombing of Cambodia
2) The Watergate break in
3)FBI wiretaps of 17 members of govt. and journalists
4) Dirty tricks.
5) The Haldeman tape
6) Democratic control of congress
7) Saturday night massacre


Remember too at that point in our history the Republican party had not been coopted by the religious right. They still had moderates who could draw democratic voters.


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marina




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, May 17 2017, 12:28 pm
amother wrote:
A private conversation between Trump and Comey would become a he said-she said kind of "evidence". It is not possible to know what really happened so it would not necessarily lead to the impeachment of Trump. Plus, democrats have made it clear from the start that they will resist Trump and obstruct everything he wants to do so they are essentially the ones who are obstructing justice while projecting it onto Trump.

What I find fascinating about all this is that Democrats calling for the impeachment of Trump are saying that no one is above the law. However, they are not doing anything about the illegal aliens who are breaking the laws nor are they penalizing politicians, lawyers or judges who are aiding and abetting them. So essentially we have democrats saying that Trump is not above the law but illegal aliens and all the politicians, lawyers, and judges aiding and abetting them can do whatever they want as the law does not apply to them. How can anyone take these democrats seriously if they have double standards when it comes to the applying the laws? Why are illegal aliens and the politicians, lawyers, and judges aiding and abetting them above the law?


What does the bolded mean? Do you know how many illegals were deported under Obama's administration? Can you compare that with previous administrations? After googling those numbers, can you really insist that democrats weren't doing anything about illegal aliens?

Also, FYI. Legislators are the ones who make the laws. Judges, with the help of attorneys, are the ones who interpret the laws made by the legislatures. If a judge finds that a certain law is unconstitutional, that's it for that law- it is now null and void. it's hard to argue that judges are above the immigration law, when they are literally the ones interpreting the immigration laws and deciding whether the laws are constitutional.

it's kind of like if your boss said: no casual Fridays, and an employee did not wear a suit on Friday and the CEO of the company said actually, no casual Fridays means don't wear jeans and then you say OMG the CEO is above the rules.

The president, in contrast, neither makes the laws nor interprets them. So it makes very little sense to compare the two.
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MagentaYenta




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, May 17 2017, 12:30 pm
amother wrote:
... Plus, democrats have made it clear from the start that they will resist Trump and obstruct everything he wants to do ...


And then there was the Republican compromise pledge against Obama (this was a position of the party which it voted on).Boehner said he wanted to 'kill it, stop it, shut it down' with reference to the Obama presidency.
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amother
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Post Wed, May 17 2017, 1:00 pm
OP here:

1- So what WOULD it take to impeach Trump?

2- If Schumer felt as some here do, that Trump is virtually unimpeachable, would Schumer make a fool of himself and appeal to the Republicans to put country before party and see to it, that every thing Trump has done is investigated fairly and thoroughly, with the goal of impeachment in mind?
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amother
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Post Wed, May 17 2017, 1:04 pm
amother wrote:
OP here:2- If Schumer felt as some here do, that Trump is virtually unimpeachable, would Schumer make a fool of himself and appeal to the Republicans to put country before party and see to it, that every thing Trump has done is investigated fairly and thoroughly, with the goal of impeachment in mind?


Because Schumer knows that it is unlikely for the Republicans to impeach Trump over this it is a wonderful opportunity for him to get attention and rile up his base with appeals to the Republicans to put country before party
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amother
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Post Wed, May 17 2017, 1:05 pm
amother wrote:
What are David Friedman and Jason Greenblatt, two Trump confidantes and Trump enthusiasts, both very loyal to Trump for many years. thinking now?

What are they telling their wives and others they offer their 100% true feelings to, about how they feel Trump is doing as President?

What do they think is in store for Trump now, with the dirt thats emerging on Trump?



The same thing Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and all the many other Trump supporters. Namely, This is all blown out of proportion and is just a continuation of the witch-hunt against Trump. Neither side concedes defeat in politics. Both just claim that the bad news against them is not really being reported fairly and accurately.
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MagentaYenta




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, May 17 2017, 1:07 pm
amother wrote:
OP here:

1- So what WOULD it take to impeach Trump?

2- If Schumer felt as some here do, that Trump is virtually unimpeachable, would Schumer make a fool of himself and appeal to the Republicans to put country before party and see to it, that every thing Trump has done is investigated fairly and thoroughly, with the goal of impeachment in mind?


Why would Schumer appeal to the republicans? They have stood behind a president who is willing to block anything that the democrats want to advance. They are not going to change their mind. Besides, the dems have no bench, and Pence is another truly scary option. (Pence is on record stating that if for some reason he became president he would move towards a xtian theocracy.)
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amother
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Post Wed, May 17 2017, 1:09 pm
amother wrote:
Because Schumer knows that it is unlikely for the Republicans to impeach Trump over this it is a wonderful way for him to get attention and rile up his base with appeals to the Republicans to put country before party


As long as I have known Schumer , 20 years before Trump., Schumer gets off on making an a%% of himself..

He used to be councilman for my mothers district in Brooklyn. Even single meetinng he was the entertainment...
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amother
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Post Wed, May 17 2017, 1:15 pm
marina wrote:
What does the bolded mean? Do you know how many illegals were deported under Obama's administration? Can you compare that with previous administrations? After googling those numbers, can you really insist that democrats weren't doing anything about illegal aliens?

Also, FYI. Legislators are the ones who make the laws. Judges, with the help of attorneys, are the ones who interpret the laws made by the legislatures. If a judge finds that a certain law is unconstitutional, that's it for that law- it is now null and void. it's hard to argue that judges are above the immigration law, when they are literally the ones interpreting the immigration laws and deciding whether the laws are constitutional.

it's kind of like if your boss said: no casual Fridays, and an employee did not wear a suit on Friday and the CEO of the company said actually, no casual Fridays means don't wear jeans and then you say OMG the CEO is above the rules.

The president, in contrast, neither makes the laws nor interprets them. So it makes very little sense to compare the two.

Deportations actually dropped under Obama. http://www.npr.org/2016/08/31/.....-laws
And it was the Obama administration who enacted DACA without congress or the judicial branch. How is DACA legal if presidents do not make laws or interpret them? Why you would say that deportations was high during the Obama presidency when he gave many of them immunity from deportations? Do you know that illegal aliens qualify for govt benefits if they are not deported? So how many illegal aliens were released from being deported (qualifying them for govt benefits) but were counted as "deported" by the Obama administration?
And if democrats are not aiding and abetting illegal aliens then how do you explain "sanctuary cities" and the use of tax dollars to fund services for illegal aliens? Why are illegal aliens above the law in these so called "sanctuary cities"?
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agreer




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, May 17 2017, 1:57 pm
How on earth should we know how they're feeling?

They know Trump a lot better than we do, especially if you only get your info from the mainstream media, which is so unabashedly biased that it's revolting.

Sorry, OP... I imagine you were hoping to hear that they are devastated and embarrassed, but probably not.
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marina




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, May 17 2017, 1:59 pm
amother wrote:
Deportations actually dropped under Obama. http://www.npr.org/2016/08/31/.....-laws
And it was the Obama administration who enacted DACA without congress or the judicial branch. How is DACA legal if presidents do not make laws or interpret them? Why you would say that deportations was high during the Obama presidency when he gave many of them immunity from deportations? Do you know that illegal aliens qualify for govt benefits if they are not deported? So how many illegal aliens were released from being deported (qualifying them for govt benefits) but were counted as "deported" by the Obama administration?
And if democrats are not aiding and abetting illegal aliens then how do you explain "sanctuary cities" and the use of tax dollars to fund services for illegal aliens? Why are illegal aliens above the law in these so called "sanctuary cities"?


1.) 2.5 million pple were deported under the Obama administration. The first part of the article you cited cites Trump as praising Obama's efforts. I am asking if you stand by your position that the democrats did nothing against illegal immigration.

2.) DACA was an immigration policy - not a law - that Obama implemented and wanted to expand, until the courts said no. The process is no different than Trump's immigration policy that he wanted implemented until the courts said no. Presidents are allowed to set immigration policy, unless the courts find it unconstitutional or impermissible for some other reason.

3.) Illegal aliens do not qualify for govt benefits. That is simply not true, unless you refer exclusively to schools.

Quote:
We confirmed from eligibility rules posted on government websites that unauthorized immigrants aren’t eligible for major aid programs including Medicaid, the joint federal-state health coverage for people in poverty; Supplemental Security Income (SSI), which provides cash assistance to the impoverished elderly or disabled; Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), which used to be food stamps; housing assistance from the Department of Housing and Urban Development; and Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), which provides grants for state-administered family assistance programs like child care, cash assistance or counseling.

from here: http://www.politifact.com/texa.....lfar/

Here's an example from SNAP: https://www.fns.usda.gov/sites.....1.pdf

Quote:
Undocumented non-citizens (e.g. individuals who entered the country as temporary
residents and overstayed their visas or who entered without a visa) are not eligible for
SNAP benefits.


4.) The policies of sanctuary cities are paid for by taxpayers in those locations. Their main policy as I understand is that those cities limit their enforcement of federal law because they don't see this as a law they want to enforce and don't see the need for states to enforce federal law. Legally, this does not seem to be any more problematic than those states that don't enforce federal marijuana laws.

if you look at crime and economy comparisons, it looks like sanctuary cities are doing well.
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Post Wed, May 17 2017, 2:10 pm
Where's Forrest Gump when you need him?
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