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amother
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 Mon, Jun 19 2017, 1:41 pm
You are in a very difficult situation being that you are the sole bread winner. My heart goes out to you. Any schooling will be difficult. Here are the pros and cons of sw for you as I see it:
Pros:
If you already have your undergrad it will take only two years to get an msw and you can pretty much have an undergrad in any major.
This is the field you are interested in.
It does have high earning potential, although not guaranteed.
Cons:
As with any schooling it takes time and work and money, and you will likely not be able to have a job at the same time.
It can take a long time to make real money, and to get to where you really want to be, you need to be willing to work at inconvenient times if necessary, as well as spend time on money training.
You will have student loans to pay off which you can push off a few years if needed but need to be paid off at some point.
I can't compare this field to others as this is the field I am in. I do love it and don't regret it for a second, but I don't know if I'd have the strength to do it in your position. That said, it is doable, and I know others who have done similar as single moms. Just go into it prepared. It also likely depends what location you are in. In Lakewood for example you can easily charge $150 an hour even if you're not good unfortunately, and ppl go into private asap (NOT RECOMMENDED). However, if you are good there is no reason not to be in private practice within five years (most do earlier but I am against it). But it can take awhile to build up your caseload. That is all the info I can think of offhand. Please feel free to read out with any more questions! And good luck with whatever you decide.
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amother
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Mon, Jun 19 2017, 1:50 pm
Thanks so much
I am married bh but have to take the ol of parnassa on myself.
I am doing it currently without a degree.
I have a dream of being licensed. I am not trying to be the top and get into who knows which position. I am who I am and I offer what I offer.
If there is a possibility to do something else with the skills that I already have, plus additional training of course, then I would look into it.
Otherwise, I guess I am going to slowly start working on my Bachelors degree.
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PAMOM
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Mon, Jun 19 2017, 1:51 pm
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I have NO idea if this interests OP, but there's a big market for geriatric social workers right now.
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amother
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Mon, Jun 19 2017, 1:55 pm
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Nursing is also a very nurturing helping field with a lot better prospects. You can also specialize in mental health.
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amother
Ivory
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Mon, Jun 19 2017, 1:56 pm
| amother wrote: | | Nursing is also a very nurturing helping field with a lot better prospects. You can also specialize in mental health. |
People irl told me it's an extremely exhausting job for a mother with a big family.
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amother
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Mon, Jun 19 2017, 2:27 pm
| amother wrote: | Thanks so much
I am married bh but have to take the ol of parnassa on myself.
I am doing it currently without a degree.
I have a dream of being licensed. I am not trying to be the top and get into who knows which position. I am who I am and I offer what I offer.
If there is a possibility to do something else with the skills that I already have, plus additional training of course, then I would look into it.
Otherwise, I guess I am going to slowly start working on my Bachelors degree. |
Do you have an idea of what someone doing what you are doing (social workers to many things) earns with a degree and license? That would be my baseline if I was trying to figure this out for myself.
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amother
Ivory
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Mon, Jun 19 2017, 2:31 pm
| amother wrote: | | Do you have an idea of what someone doing what you are doing (social workers to many things) earns with a degree and license? That would be my baseline if I was trying to figure this out for myself. |
It's somewhere between 150-250 per session.
The reason I wanted it was also because I felt it was less of a burden to work under an organization than to have a private practice.
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amother
Brown
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Mon, Jun 19 2017, 2:33 pm
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You are giving therapy without a license?
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amother
Ivory
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Mon, Jun 19 2017, 2:43 pm
| amother wrote: | | You are giving therapy without a license? |
No.
I'm doing something that involves speaking to people on a one to one basis.
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amother
Red
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Mon, Jun 19 2017, 2:53 pm
| amother wrote: | It's somewhere between 150-250 per session.
The reason I wanted it was also because I felt it was less of a burden to work under an organization than to have a private practice. |
It might be - but it will be less lucrative. Do you know how much you'd get doing what you do through an organization? Is that enough money to make ends meet?
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amother
Ivory
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Mon, Jun 19 2017, 3:04 pm
| amother wrote: | | It might be - but it will be less lucrative. Do you know how much you'd get doing what you do through an organization? Is that enough money to make ends meet? |
I think I'm going around in circles with myself.
I want less pressure and more money. So am I fooling myself that after I get over the degree hassle, I will at least have less pressure?
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amother
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Mon, Jun 19 2017, 3:32 pm
First of all, with very very VERY few exceptions, people making a lot of money are working many hours, very hard. And generally, they have master's degrees. Is your husband unable to work EVER, or is he in kollel for as long as he can? Also, do you live in America? Generally speaking, a family with four kids out of town needs at least 140k a year just to cover tuition and basic expenses. New York is way higher. I really wish my husband could learn forever, but seven years in, it just isn't possible. He is doing a degree now. Even if I could potentially work full time as, say, a lawyer, I wouldn't want to. I am not so committed to kollel that I would neglect my kids for it. That logic just doesn't make sense to me. (I know there are plenty of other reasons a husband can't work, mental, emotional, or health reasons, I am just commenting on what seems to be the main reason men don't work in frum culture)
some ideas to look into, just from a quick google search:
Psychiatric Advanced Registered Nurse Practitioner
Marketing Manager
Human resources specialist
Public Relations Specialist
Real Estate Broker
Purchasing Manager
Fundraising Manager
Air Traffic Controller (sounds crazy, but you don't need a degree at all)
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amother
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Mon, Jun 19 2017, 3:49 pm
| amother wrote: | I think I'm going around in circles with myself.
I want less pressure and more money. So am I fooling myself that after I get over the degree hassle, I will at least have less pressure? |
I can't answer that for you  I suppose if the pressure you are feeling now is related to finding clients, then yes I imagine it would be less pressure if you don't need to do that. But there would be other pressure/stress.
If you actually like what you are doing - and think/know that you would be paid better if you had the MSW seems reasonable to me to get the degree.
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amother
Ivory
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Mon, Jun 19 2017, 4:04 pm
| amother wrote: | First of all, with very very VERY few exceptions, people making a lot of money are working many hours, very hard. And generally, they have master's degrees. Is your husband unable to work EVER, or is he in kollel for as long as he can? Also, do you live in America? Generally speaking, a family with four kids out of town needs at least 140k a year just to cover tuition and basic expenses. New York is way higher. I really wish my husband could learn forever, but seven years in, it just isn't possible. He is doing a degree now. Even if I could potentially work full time as, say, a lawyer, I wouldn't want to. I am not so committed to kollel that I would neglect my kids for it. That logic just doesn't make sense to me. (I know there are plenty of other reasons a husband can't work, mental, emotional, or health reasons, I am just commenting on what seems to be the main reason men don't work in frum culture)
some ideas to look into, just from a quick google search:
Psychiatric Advanced Registered Nurse Practitioner
Marketing Manager
Human resources specialist
Public Relations Specialist
Real Estate Broker
Purchasing Manager
Fundraising Manager
Air Traffic Controller (sounds crazy, but you don't need a degree at all) |
Hi amother corflower! Here you go. I was waiting for you.
The 140k makes a ton of sense. Really, I need more than this.
I simply don't know if carreers for women, (except business owners which I'm not cut out to be,) Who make this type of money. Maybe I'm naive?
Kollel is not the issue. I am a very spiritual person but I'm rooted in reality. Even if kollel would be my aspiration, I don't live in a place where kollel is endorsed nor respected, so I wouldn't be shtitzed. That's not the issue. My husband was the breadwinner for a long time. I don't know when and if things will go back to normal. I want to work on having something stable myself.
Psychiatric Advanced Registered Nurse Practitioner
Do not need a degree?
Marketing Manager
I have no idea what this entails
Human resources specialist
Again no idea
Public Relations Specialist
No idea
Real Estate Broker
Is not a 140k per year.
Purchasing Manager
Fundraising Manager
Air Traffic Controller (sounds crazy, but you don't need a degree at all)
No idea whatcthwae jobs entail.
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amother
cornflower
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Mon, Jun 19 2017, 4:11 pm
Here are some great resources about jobs/what they entail/salary.
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/
https://www.onetonline.org/
btw, I am totally in the same boat as you--I always wanted to be a social worker and it is so suited to my personality (and almost every one of my relatives is one), but I just don't think it makes sense to do so much schooling and come out making so little. So I am also on the hunt and will be looking into all the advice I am giving you. (previously I ran a small business but it turned out to be a dead end.)
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amother
Brown
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Mon, Jun 19 2017, 4:49 pm
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Psych nurse practitioner is a lot harder and more schooling than social work or nursing.
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amother
Ivory
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Mon, Jun 19 2017, 6:41 pm
| amother wrote: | | Psych nurse practitioner is a lot harder and more schooling than social work or nursing. |
That's what I saw. I'm wondering if I'm not looking on the same websites she is.
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amother
Brown
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Mon, Jun 19 2017, 6:49 pm
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There's no website that's going to make it easier. These are pretty hard facts.
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debsey
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Mon, Jun 19 2017, 8:22 pm
| amother wrote: | Thanks so much
I am married bh but have to take the ol of parnassa on myself.
I am doing it currently without a degree.
I have a dream of being licensed. I am not trying to be the top and get into who knows which position. I am who I am and I offer what I offer.
If there is a possibility to do something else with the skills that I already have, plus additional training of course, then I would look into it.
Otherwise, I guess I am going to slowly start working on my Bachelors degree. |
What exactly is it you are doing without a degree? When you say "I have a dream of being licensed" - you realize that providing therapy without a degree is illegal. If you mean, you're a HS mechaneches and all the girls like to talk to you, that's not the same as doing therapy.
I strongly suggest you do more research so you know what you are getting yourself into, before you commit to an expensive training program with no guaranteed ROI, especially if the ol of parnassah is on you.
We make really bad decisions when under stress.......
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MagentaYenta
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Mon, Jun 19 2017, 8:31 pm
| amother wrote: | No.
I'm doing something that involves speaking to people on a one to one basis. |
And what exactly is that? Mentor? Coach? Grocery store checker. Oh that's right you don't need a license to be a grocery store checker or to con people into thinking you've got training in your field. And no malpractice insurance to worry about, and likely no taxes being paid either.
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