Home
Log in / Sign Up
    Private Messages   Advanced Search   Rules   New User Guide   FAQ   Advertise   Contact Us  
Forum -> Yom Tov / Holidays -> Shabbos, Rosh Chodesh, Fast Days, and other Days of Note
If mashiach came...



Post new topic   Reply to topic View latest: 24h 48h 72h

amother
Brunette


 

Post Tue, Aug 01 2017, 3:42 pm
but "looked" differently then "you" how would you react? The famous poem about mashiach not being able to come because whatever he wore would be "wrong" got me thinking about it...
Back to top

iammom




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Aug 01 2017, 3:52 pm
I always pictured mashiach to be in a long flowing robe and beard, kind of how I picture the avos to look.
I guess I would be taken aback if he was dressed contemporarily in a hat, white shirt and suit.
I never thought about this. It's interesting!
Back to top

amother
Lime


 

Post Tue, Aug 01 2017, 3:54 pm
I would be overjoyed that mashiach is here. The end.

(I assume that anyone who would look down with disdain will not actually be zoche to greet mashiach.)
Back to top

SixOfWands




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Aug 01 2017, 3:58 pm
iammom wrote:
I always pictured mashiach to be in a long flowing robe and beard, kind of how I picture the avos to look.
I guess I would be taken aback if he was dressed contemporarily in a hat, white shirt and suit.
I never thought about this. It's interesting!


But picking up on the OP, how would you feel if he were wearing jeans and a tee shirt. Or a cheongsam. Or a yakata. Or a kanzu.

What if he were black, or brown, or Asian?
Back to top

iammom




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Aug 01 2017, 3:58 pm
Oh, I certainly would be overjoyed when mashiach came!
It's just interesting how we have preconceived pictures in our head about it and sometimes don't think about how it could be different than we imagined.
Back to top

mommy3b2c




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Aug 01 2017, 3:59 pm
SixOfWands wrote:
But picking up on the OP, how would you feel if he were wearing jeans and a tee shirt. Or a cheongsam. Or a yakata. Or a kanzu.

What if he were black, or brown, or Asian?


I would be surprised if he was wearing jeans. They are very informal. But honestly, I couldn't care less .
Back to top

iammom




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Aug 01 2017, 3:59 pm
SixOfWands wrote:
But picking up on the OP, how would you feel if he were wearing jeans and a tee shirt. Or a cheongsam. Or a yakata. Or a kanzu.

What if he were black, or brown, or Asian?


Definitely food for thought.
Back to top

amother
Slategray


 

Post Tue, Aug 01 2017, 4:58 pm
If mashiach came...
Oh well... If mashiach came...
Let him only come.
If he came, I'd be free from the heavy load in my head. Should I stay here in this marriage? He's not abusive. He's just not my speed. He's a good father, but doesn't bring money. He's nice but dysfunctional. He's calm but too calm. He's not a man. And I don't feel like being intimate with a child. And he's upset. And I'm scared to take the next move. I'm not prepared.
I think it's too late. I have too many children. And grown ones. It'll be so much work. So much shame. So much damage control.

Ugh! Just Let him come! Come Mashiach. Just come. Who cares if he has a straw hat or an Arabic Turban? Just come. Just come.
Back to top

amother
Dodgerblue


 

Post Tue, Aug 01 2017, 5:20 pm
amother wrote:
If mashiach came...
Oh well... If mashiach came...
Let him only come.
If he came, I'd be free from the heavy load in my head. Should I stay here in this marriage? He's not abusive. He's just not my speed. He's a good father, but doesn't bring money. He's nice but dysfunctional. He's calm but too calm. He's not a man. And I don't feel like being intimate with a child. And he's upset. And I'm scared to take the next move. I'm not prepared.
I think it's too late. I have too many children. And grown ones. It'll be so much work. So much shame. So much damage control.

Ugh! Just Let him come! Come Mashiach. Just come. Who cares if he has a straw hat or an Arabic Turban? Just come. Just come.


Hugs, it sounds like you have a lot to deal with.
I don't know why you think mashiach will free you from making decisions about your marriage, though. Please, take the reins yourself and do whatever you need to do.
Back to top

amother
Slategray


 

Post Tue, Aug 01 2017, 5:24 pm
amother wrote:
Hugs, it sounds like you have a lot to deal with.
I don't know why you think mashiach will free you from making decisions about your marriage, though. Please, take the reins yourself and do whatever you need to do.


I believe he'll be smart enough to guide me. Haven't found such a fellow yet.
Back to top

Optione




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Aug 01 2017, 5:25 pm
Sometimes I wonder if moshiach will come through the form of a person that I wrongfully judged.
If that would be the case, I think I initially would be surprised, shocked, impressed, and potentially even embarrassed.
I would be so relieved that moshiach came despite my judging.
Back to top

amother
Dodgerblue


 

Post Tue, Aug 01 2017, 5:26 pm
amother wrote:
I believe he'll be smart enough to guide me. Haven't found such a fellow yet.


I think he'll be busy leading the Jewish people. You need a competent professional here and now.
Back to top

amother
Slategray


 

Post Tue, Aug 01 2017, 5:29 pm
amother wrote:
I think he'll be busy leading the Jewish people. You need a competent professional here and now.


BTDT
Back to top

miami85




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Aug 01 2017, 7:37 pm
I think OPs point--and the point of that poem--is how would we know that he arrived? Among the many "legends" I've heard about the coming of Moshiach is not that he'd arrive with a lot of fanfare, but he is someone who will teach a lot of Torah and bring people together from the 4 corners of the world and it would be a slow steady process--among the reasons why Lubavitch thought their Rebbe z"l was Moshiach--but then he died, but that's another story. Obviously, in the end that when he comes we'll know when and why he comes (I.e. we say that Moshiach can't come on Shabbos, but in Ani Maamin we say "b'chol yom sheyavo). All we DO know is that we want him to come--the sooner, the better.
Back to top

Iymnok




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Aug 02 2017, 2:24 am
Learn the Rambam on Moshiach. He may be someone you've already heard of or met.
Back to top

mandksima




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Aug 02 2017, 3:00 am
This made me have an unique thought - wouldn't it be something if Moshiach appeared to everyone differently but we all simultaneously recognized him? He would davka look exactly how you wouldn't expect him to (the opposite way of your perfect look) and our job with ahavat yisrael of accepting everyone would be to accept him with love 100% regardless of his appearance!

One commentary I read regarding not seeing things that will be there is when the beit hamikdash comes down from shamayim, only the Jews will be zocheh to see it and the Arabs will be angry that their mosque was destroyed but they won't see the new structure like we will and they will come to fight against us and moshiach. Food for thought. If Hashem can make that happen, moshiach can also appear differently to each person.
Back to top

PinkFridge




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Aug 02 2017, 5:15 am
amother wrote:
I think he'll be busy leading the Jewish people. You need a competent professional here and now.


So if not him, in some other way we'll see the kiyum of "v'nas yagon va'anacha."
But I totally agree to try to find some relief and direction now. Big, big hugs!

ETA: I just saw the BTDT. Bigger hugs. I don't know if it will be helpful to dissect what you've done, and if there are different options.
Back to top

amother
Slategray


 

Post Wed, Aug 02 2017, 6:21 am
PinkFridge wrote:
So if not him, in some other way we'll see the kiyum of "v'nas yagon va'anacha."
But I totally agree to try to find some relief and direction now. Big, big hugs!

ETA: I just saw the BTDT. Bigger hugs. I don't know if it will be helpful to dissect what you've done, and if there are different options.


Thanks.
Leading Jewish people is not only about telling them how to kasher a kitchen for Passover. It's not about telling them which parsha to read in the Torah. We have people like that already.
We need Mashiach for much more urgent and intense subjects. We need him to solve our real issues. We need him to tell us things we cannot find in the SA.
Part of leading the Jewish people is leading people like me. We have enough rabbis here and now that don't understand situations like my own. They live on an airplane, without seeing or understanding what goes on with amchu, in reality...

Mashiach will train the rabbis how to listen and how to guide.
Back to top

leah233




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Aug 02 2017, 10:20 am
SixOfWands wrote:
But picking up on the OP, how would you feel if he were wearing jeans and a tee shirt. Or a cheongsam. Or a yakata. Or a kanzu.

What if he were black, or brown, or Asian?


Very surprised.

But for a stasticall reason not an ideological one. In which community do the Talmedey Chacomim come to shul dressed that way? How many Talmedey Chacomim are there who are black, or brown, or Asian? Therefore what is the likelihood of Mosiach looking that way?
Back to top

amother
Lilac


 

Post Wed, Aug 02 2017, 11:02 am
Iymnok wrote:
Learn the Rambam on Moshiach. He may be someone you've already heard of or met.


Can you or someone else explain this? I read up on the Rambam on moshiach yesterday and still don't understand what you're saying.
Back to top
Page 1 of 1 Recent Topics




Post new topic   Reply to topic    Forum -> Yom Tov / Holidays -> Shabbos, Rosh Chodesh, Fast Days, and other Days of Note

Related Topics Replies Last Post
Toddlers nail completely came off crying in pain
by amother
2 Sat, Mar 16 2024, 8:52 pm View last post
Bris outfit borrowed, came back filthy
by amother
20 Wed, Mar 06 2024, 9:22 am View last post
Pre 1A daughter came home crying 5 Wed, Jan 31 2024, 3:40 pm View last post
Rabbi Mendel Kessin - Mashiach is coming
by amother
2 Fri, Nov 03 2023, 1:31 pm View last post
Ive been through many challenges and bh came out strong AMA
by amother
11 Thu, Oct 12 2023, 9:21 pm View last post