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amother
Navy


 

Post Thu, Aug 24 2017, 8:53 pm
Alright gals, before you get all hot under the collar and start screaming, "Why aren't you vaccinating?! You are putting us all in danger!"
or the opposite:
"Don't you dare think of vaccinating: you're endangering your child!"
let me give a brief bit of history:

My child has a compromised immune system and has come down with MRSA multiple times, various forms of fungal infections, a cyclical fever syndrome and other various issues. I am not anti-vaccines. I am not pro-vaccines. I am pro-sechel.

For this particular child, I do not think his/her body can handle vaccines yet. The child has had two sets of vaccines and each time spikes high fevers. The last time, the child's white blood count went up to 30,000 in a matter of hours.

How do I get a vaccine deferral? And which doctor at Refuah is most likely to understand the issue?

Thanks.
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amother
Lawngreen


 

Post Thu, Aug 24 2017, 9:00 pm
what does this child's primary physician think? Despite all the side effects of the last 2 rounds - he (she?) thinks its okay to do more?
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amother
Cerulean


 

Post Thu, Aug 24 2017, 9:08 pm
Honestly, I don't think you'll find any doctor at Refuah who will be understanding. Their doctors are staunchly (and sometimes stupidly) pro-vaccines.
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amother
Navy


 

Post Thu, Aug 24 2017, 9:23 pm
The primary care physician was okay to defer it for a while, however, I don't know if she would still be willing to go along with it as we haven't been to her in a while. Either way, I know my child and I live with her difficulties on a daily basis and as a mother, I do not feel that she strong enough for it yet.
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amother
Brown


 

Post Thu, Aug 24 2017, 9:24 pm
amother wrote:
The primary care physician was okay to defer it for a while, however, I don't know if she would still be willing to go along with it as we haven't been to her in a while. Either way, I know my child and I live with her difficulties on a daily basis and as a mother, I do not feel that she strong enough for it yet.


You know your kid best. Hatzlacha.
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Blessing1




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Aug 24 2017, 9:53 pm
Refua will not allow you to see any doctor if you don't agree to vaccination. They're very strict with it.
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amother
Navy


 

Post Thu, Aug 24 2017, 10:09 pm
Blessing1 wrote:
Refua will not allow you to see any doctor if you don't agree to vaccination. They're very strict with it.


I'm not sure if that's true. It is only certain doctors that won't see if you don't agree to vaccinate. And even then, they can push off the vaccines for a while with reason.

One of the doctors explained to me why she doesn't see patients who don't vaccinate:

A few years ago the government noticed that there was a heavy pocket of unvaccinated children in the Monsey and New Square area, and the government officials came down to the doctors and researched who the most popular pediatricians are. Those few doctors were forced to sign a document stating that they will require all patients to receive vaccinations unless there was a really good reason to defer.

(I do think my reasons are good enough, but not sure if the doctor will agree, so I would rather go to a less popular doctor that is not held to those terms and get an easy deferment.)
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amother
Cerulean


 

Post Thu, Aug 24 2017, 10:11 pm
amother wrote:
I'm not sure if that's true. It is only certain doctors that won't see if you don't agree to vaccinate. And even then, they can push off the vaccines for a while with reason.

One of the doctors explained to me why she doesn't see patients who don't vaccinate:

A few years ago the government noticed that there was a heavy pocket of unvaccinated children in the Monsey and New Square area, and the government officials came down to the doctors and researched who the most popular pediatricians are. Those few doctors were forced to sign a document stating that they will require all patients to receive vaccinations unless there was a really good reason to defer.

(I do think my reasons are good enough, but not sure if the doctor will agree, so I would rather go to a less popular doctor that is not held to those terms and get an easy deferment.)

And if you believe this BS, I have a bridge to sell you.
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cnc




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Aug 24 2017, 10:26 pm
amother wrote:
And if you believe this BS, I have a bridge to sell you.


This.
And I fully vaccinate.
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amother
Amber


 

Post Thu, Aug 24 2017, 11:13 pm
Don't do It! It is your child and your choice. It has nothing to do with the doctors.
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amother
Pink


 

Post Thu, Aug 24 2017, 11:28 pm
Why don't you give the vaccines slowly instead? Instead of giving a set of vaccines at a time, give one vaccine separately at each visit. They're more likely to work with you if they see you are following through and slowly vaccinating.
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maliza




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Aug 24 2017, 11:33 pm
Perhaps you might consider taking your child to a pediatric infectious disease specialist and not a "regular" pediatrician, because your child has a compromised immune system and has recurring assorted infections.

A specialist would advise regarding immunizations. If your child truly becomes ill from immunizations, the doctor would determine which, if any, immunizations should or should not be given, and may authorize a medical exemption, if necessary.

There are medical services such as ECHO who could advise you regarding pediatric specialists.
I do know Hackensack Hospital in NJ has PID specialists.
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momX4




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Aug 25 2017, 12:01 am
I am pro vaccinations, yet in your case I wouldnt give my dc any more shots. You need to go to a specialist.

Call ECHO, explain your dc's problems and they will help you.
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rydys




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Aug 25 2017, 10:10 am
If a child truly has an immune issue, he needs to be evaluated to see what it is. There are many causes of immune deficiency, most of which can be treated. In some cases it is safe to immunize immunodeficient people, and in some it is not.

A high fever after vaccination is not uncommon and would usually not be a reason not to vaccinate. The frequent infections which you describe in my opinion should be looked into further.

As a physician, your doctor has to have a medical indication to write a letter stating that your child should not be vaccinated. A mother's feelings are not enough.
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amother
Cerulean


 

Post Fri, Aug 25 2017, 10:14 am
rydys wrote:
If a child truly has an immune issue, he needs to be evaluated to see what it is. There are many causes of immune deficiency, most of which can be treated. In some cases it is safe to immunize immunodeficient people, and in some it is not.

A high fever after vaccination is not uncommon and would usually not be a reason not to vaccinate. The frequent infections which you describe in my opinion should be looked into further.

As a physician, your doctor has to have a medical indication to write a letter stating that your child should not be vaccinated. A mother's feelings are not enough.

The OP wrote why she feels MEDICALLY her child shouldn't be vaccinated. She cited his very real MEDICAL issues.
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amother
Seashell


 

Post Fri, Aug 25 2017, 10:57 am
amother wrote:
The OP wrote why she feels MEDICALLY her child shouldn't be vaccinated. She cited his very real MEDICAL issues.


Yet, the OP is not a physician, therefore needs to see a physician who knows about her child's conditions.
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amother
Jetblack


 

Post Fri, Aug 25 2017, 11:02 am
rydys wrote:
If a child truly has an immune issue, he needs to be evaluated to see what it is. There are many causes of immune deficiency, most of which can be treated. In some cases it is safe to immunize immunodeficient people, and in some it is not.

A high fever after vaccination is not uncommon and would usually not be a reason not to vaccinate. The frequent infections which you describe in my opinion should be looked into further.

As a physician, your doctor has to have a medical indication to write a letter stating that your child should not be vaccinated. A mother's feelings are not enough.

Most immune deficiencies are managed, not treated, and hardly ever cured.

Unfortunately, immunologists are generally strong vaccine pushers, even in the immune deficient population. And there simly isn't enough long term data on vaccines and the ID population, certainly not divided by specific types of immune deficiencies, most of which are quite rare, and newly discovered.

So at the end of the day it's really doctor's belief against mother's feelings.

OP, you are wise for wanting to keep your child far, far away from vaccines. They can push your child's fragile system over the edge.
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amother
Cerulean


 

Post Fri, Aug 25 2017, 1:23 pm
amother wrote:
Yet, the OP is not a physician, therefore needs to see a physician who knows about her child's conditions.

So she needs to find one who listens to her gut feelings and not one who will push her against her protective instinct.

rydys, as a doctor, you should be encouraging OP in listening to her motherly intuition.
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amother
Amber


 

Post Fri, Aug 25 2017, 1:45 pm
rydys wrote:
If a child truly has an immune issue, he needs to be evaluated to see what it is. There are many causes of immune deficiency, most of which can be treated. In some cases it is safe to immunize immunodeficient people, and in some it is not.

A high fever after vaccination is not uncommon and would usually not be a reason not to vaccinate. The frequent infections which you describe in my opinion should be looked into further.

As a physician, your doctor has to have a medical indication to write a letter stating that your child should not be vaccinated. A mother's feelings are not enough.

A mother's feelings are not enough for who???? A mother's feelings are enough to decide when to take a child to the doctor, when to let them cross the street, when to let them stay home alone, but not enough to say "I don't think my child should be vaccinated??" Since when? What has become of this free country? We thankfully do not live in a dictatorship and a parent should and does have the right to decide what is best. A mother knows her child best and needs to protect her child.
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mammala120




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Aug 25 2017, 5:57 pm
amother wrote:
A mother's feelings are not enough for who???? A mother's feelings are enough to decide when to take a child to the doctor, when to let them cross the street, when to let them stay home alone, but not enough to say "I don't think my child should be vaccinated??" Since when? What has become of this free country? We thankfully do not live in a dictatorship and a parent should and does have the right to decide what is best. A mother knows her child best and needs to protect her child.


We are all surrounded in this world by ENERGIES. A mother has the strongest ENERGY connection to her child then anyone else since she developed child inside of her and sometimes nurses this child to proper growth. We call these ENERGIES a mothers intuition, mothers instinct , mothers GUT feelings ( we have tons of nerves in our intestines). So here you go. Personal experiences and feelings are stronger and more accurate then any of the policies inforced these days
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