Do you vote for a president with Jewish values or money?

amother

Linen

Sat, Nov 25 2017, 7:31 pm

Let say for those of you that voted for Trump for his support for Israel and believe he would better serve the Jewish population then the opponent and for other reasons.

For individuals in the frum community that rely on medicaid or welfare programs. What happens if Trump goes ahead with major changes to both programs and will effect you severely would you still vote for him if he runs for a second term?

What happens if the person running for president opposing Trump will increase welfare programs and bring back all programs that Trump will or has cut that has or will effect you tremendously but at the same time is anti Israel and in general does not go with what we believe.

Would you still vote for the opponent?

Please be honest.

amother

Lilac

Sat, Nov 25 2017, 7:38 pm

amother wrote:

Who said I voted for Trump's support of Israel? Who said I rely on Medicaid or welfare?
I voted for Trump because we needed change and whatever those changes are they're better than the opponent.

amother

Linen

Sat, Nov 25 2017, 7:45 pm

amother wrote:

Who said I voted for Trump's support of Israel? Who said I rely on Medicaid or welfare?
I voted for Trump because we needed change and whatever those changes are they're better than the opponent.

For those of you that did vote for him for what ever reason and rely on those programs what would you do? Would you vote for the opponent and live happily or choose to vote for Trump and lose all the financial stability you have been relying on?

amother

Fuchsia

Sat, Nov 25 2017, 8:34 pm

I don't think it's a "confession" to admit to voting for someone because of how the candidate will effect them financially. Of course this is a consideration. Op, what are you trying to say?

amother

Rose

Sat, Nov 25 2017, 8:40 pm

Not exactly what you are asking but I voted for Hilary despite the fact that she would be worse for me personally, financially (because she would raise my taxes and trump will lower them).

Amarante

Sat, Nov 25 2017, 10:35 pm

Jeanette wrote:

Trump has Jewish values?

My thoughts exactly - Trump doesn't have ANY kind of value - Jewish, Xtian, Moral.

I didn't vote for Trump - I can't say I don't use government programs because my parents collect Social Security and are on Medicare and those ARE government programs. However, in the sense of the OP, I am not a taker and am glad to pay taxes to support medical and other social welfare programs - there but for fortune go I or my loved ones.

However, Jewish values to me are supporting social programs that help the less fortunate of ALL faiths and nationalities - I'm old school that way :-)

allthingsblue

Sat, Nov 25 2017, 10:37 pm

I wouldn't worry about programs being cut under trump. They won't be able to come up with a plan that gets enough votes in congress. The republicans are too fractured.

amother

Gold

Sat, Nov 25 2017, 10:57 pm

I voted for Hilary because I did not want to have Trump -- who openly admits to s-xual assault and is generally a blatantly bad person who only cares about money and power -- as president. I don't agree with a lot of Hilary's policies, but at least I believe she never raped anyone. I wish Bernie would have made it further -- he actually had some Jewish values. I don't care about money, I just want the world to be better.

southernbubby

Sat, Nov 25 2017, 11:02 pm

The best social programs would be ones that help people not need them. The problem with the social programs that exist is that people would have to double their income to have the same health care, food, vouchers, housing, etc that they get with these programs. Politicians who want votes push these programs to get votes so that even if there were solutions that would get people off of programs, those politicians can't afford to implement them. It is easier to say that anyone who opposes those programs are greedy and hate the poor.

Frum Jews do rely on programs but possibly would do just as well with job training to get them off of programs. Social security is what we paid into it and medicare is what we paid taxes for all of our working years.

Since I don't think that America is ready to become a socialist country, due to it's size, I certainly wouldn't vote for a socialist and would favor a candidate that cares about protecting religious liberties.

creditcards

Sat, Nov 25 2017, 11:14 pm

I voted for trump because he is good for Israel. I also rely on food stamps and Medicaid. I will vote for trump again even if he cuts down on programs because terrorism is worse than not having money.

Jeanette

Sat, Nov 25 2017, 11:32 pm

creditcards wrote:

Take a look at this graph. Terrorist attacks in Israel have been quite low since 2007. What exactly do you think Trump will do to lower risk of terrorist attacks?

southernbubby

Sat, Nov 25 2017, 11:38 pm

Jeanette wrote:

Take a look at this graph. Terrorist attacks in Israel have been quite low since 2007. What exactly do you think Trump will do to lower risk of terrorist attacks?

One of the better things that Trump has done is appoint Nicky Haley to the UN.

Miri7

Sat, Nov 25 2017, 11:47 pm

When Trump spilled the beans about the top secret Sayeret Makal intelligence mission to Kislyak and Lavrov during that May 10 meeting, he proved to me that he would not be good for Israel. He demonstrated that he had zero respect for our Israeli brothers who put their lives on the line to gather intelligence and then share it with the US to help keep us safe too.

I never thought he’d be good for israel because he lacks the discipline, character and intelligence necessary to be reliable for anything much other than fluffing his own ego.

Jeanette

Sun, Nov 26 2017, 12:05 am

southernbubby wrote:

One of the better things that Trump has done is appoint Nicky Haley to the UN.

You know the story of the restaurant owner who pointed to the picture of a Rebbe on the wall to prove his kashrus? The customer said, if it was your picture on the wall and the Rebbe behind the counter, then I'd trust your kashrus.

That's exactly how I feel about you bringing up Nikki Haley. Let her be the president and Trump be her UN ambassador and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

seeker

Sun, Nov 26 2017, 1:47 am

Without touching upon the other issues surrounding Trump or other candidates, just about the central issue in the post which is would you vote for someone you approve of if it would mean personally losing benefits - yes. I am one of the (sadly very few) naively noble people who is willing to take a personal hit in the interest of increased national stability. Our current welfare system is not sustainable and fixing our country's economy is liable to hurt some people very hard.

For better or worse, though, it seems that the majority of the electorate doesn't think like that, so it's likely that regardless of who you individually vote for, your welfare interests are probably going to be more or less protected anyway.

DrMom

Sun, Nov 26 2017, 2:09 am

I don't understand what any of this has to do with "Jewish values."

Policies benefiting the frum Jewish population in the US are not necessarily policies reflecting "Jewish values."

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Mommyg8

Sun, Nov 26 2017, 2:09 am

Am I the only imamother who doesn't get government benefits? Is everyone on this site seriously so poor that they rely on food stamps to get through the month? Why am I thinking that this is not so?

I think that cutting corporate taxes will bring companies back to the United States, which will stimulate the economy, which will... cause more jobs to be generated. More jobs, means more money for the workers. Which will cause less people to need food stamps and medicaid.

The problem with the current system is that it's not sustainable. You can't give people unlimited benefits for unlimited periods of time. Someone has to pay for all this, and what's happening is that the rich people are running away from the high tax states, companies are squirelling their money in off-shore accounts, which the IRS can't touch, and the rest of the rich are using the tax code loopholes to dodge most federal taxes. So there is no one left to pay for all these benefits.

Why is this so hard to understand?