Crash course what going on with immigration?

33055

Wed, Jun 20 2018, 6:54 am

amother wrote:

And there goes the personal insult. (the context of that quote was a internal slogan used to keep Clinton on his message - it had nothing to do with the poster you were talking to.)

If I was so upset about the way my tax dollars were being spent as you seem to be -sure I'd move. I'm not. I don't think your issue your tax dollars. (as an aside, the revenue for your county is made up of a considerable amount of sales tax receipts - despite your stats as to how much money is going offshore, everyone in your county contributes to the sales tax pool).

I appreciate the clarity of your final statement here.

It's a catchphrase.

There is so much wrong with the rest of your post that you sound like a child. People don't move solely because they are unhappy with politics. What happened to all the people who said they would move if Trump was elected?

Oh yeah, they are liberals.

Mommyg8

Wed, Jun 20 2018, 7:09 am

Jeanette wrote:

The whole point of conservatism is to crush empathy and compassion. You're angry about the plight of others besides yourself? Bleeding heart. Fake outrage. Howling at the moon.

It's inconceivable to them that someone can look at a baby screaming for its mother and be genuinely moved to action. it must be contrived for political purposes.

The whole point of conservatism is to do what actually WORKS, rather than what we THINK should work in a world that is completely manufactured in our own minds. Many of the policies to help the poor have actually backfired, but liberals will never acknowledge that. Also, don't you think that many of these liberal policies are actually acting like Robin Hood - steal from the rich and give to the poor? Liberals want socialism to work, but it has been proven over and over again that it doesn't.

In this particular case, there will always be people who will be hurt by any given government policy or law - that is unavoidable. In this particular case, those clamping down on immigration are concerned about the enormous amount of drugs and illegal guns coming from Mexico, and also the drain on the economy that giving these illegals services entails.

And I'll make up my own sentence about liberalism - liberals only care with other people's money, and as long as it is not "in their own backyard" - I.e. it doesn't affect them personally. This is not referring to you specifically, Jeanette, as you are a Jewish woman with a Jewish heart, but many in the liberal camp are really fake. Look into this more, you'll see.

amother

Tangerine

Wed, Jun 20 2018, 7:45 am

Squishy wrote:

It's a catchphrase, stupid.

There is so much wrong with the rest of your post that you sound like a child. People don't move solely because they are unhappy with politics. What happened to all the people who said they would move if Trump was elected?

Oh yeah, they are liberals, stupid.

You're just so much fun.

Now I sound like a child, and I'm stupid. Perfect. I'm struggling with having any sense of doubt of your intent on your use of the phrase.

Post after post you use your property taxes as a cover for saying what you really want to say, and I applaud you for actually finally saying it. Of course you wouldn't move - you have a great life in your county - you even have direct access to cheap domestic labor.

I'm not interested in playing the 'what-about' game.

Fox

Wed, Jun 20 2018, 8:23 am

DrMom wrote:

Using it does not mean you are calling the other person stupid.

But kudos for manufacturing fake outrage in a thread inspired by fake outrage. This thread is becoming a parody of itself.

Everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die.

Thread #1: Secular education is critically important! Jewish parents that don't prioritize secular education are irresponsible! You can't function in society without a decent secular education!

Thread #2: I know what I know, and I don't need no bleedin' history from, like, 25 years ago!

amother

Chartreuse

Wed, Jun 20 2018, 8:37 am

Squishy wrote:

I don't have one grandparent who lied about their age/had fake names/false documents/some crazy story to get to US(all of which would make them illegal).

You need to learn your history. There were millions of Jews who came here legally.

Learn my history.... ha let's just say this is my day job.

Unless your entire extended family came to the US before 1921(when anyone could get in essentially, but most frum Jewry in the US don't fall under the category) then it is very unlikely they all came 100% legally. You simply aren't aware of it. I implore you to take a good look at your own history. Look at some ship records, naturalizations(oh that lovely system!), birth records from Europe. I guarantee you will find things don't match up.

And if you don't know about all the social policies over the last century that were in place taking care of your parents, grandparents, etc... This forum is not the place to educate you but one swing of Google should make a dent if you have any real desire to educate yourself. Smile

Mommyg8

Wed, Jun 20 2018, 9:30 am

amother wrote:

Ok, I'll play your game. One set of great-grandparents came over in the late 1800's. Totally legally - we have the ship documents and all to prove it (someone in my family actually put in on the big wide web). Another set of great-grandparents came over in 1917 from Russia. I have no documents, but I do know that they were sponsored by family, and I know the family's names (part of our family lore). On the other side - my grandmother came over in 1939, totally legally - I know this because she was initially left behind (I don't know the reason why she wasn't allowed in at an earlier point) and she was only allowed in because a great-aunt got her senator involved. My grandfather came over in 1947 or 1948 - presumably legally, unfortunately there were enough slots at that point... My grandfather's brother escaped Poland right before the war by marrying an older woman, sight unseen, who he then proceeded to live with for the next 50 years...

My husband's side - his father escaped Germany in 1933 with his family - I think at that point they were still allowing Jews to leave, and I would assume that he got here legally as well (Germany did not have the same quotas as other countries, and in 1933 they were still allowed to leave). My MIL's parents escaped Russia, again in 1917, landed in some other countries, and I think they got in through a visa from that other country (I don't want to identify myself ALL the way, which posting the country will do).

Enough info? I know this was really boring and tedious, but you asked...

southernbubby

Wed, Jun 20 2018, 9:51 am

Mommyg8 wrote:

While all of my ancestors came prior to 1900 and one even served in the Confederacy, (remember what my SN is), I do know Yidden who came after the war with false papers. To this day, they are afraid of being caught!

southernbubby

Wed, Jun 20 2018, 9:58 am

Mommyg8 wrote:

I agree with this statement about liberals. Do they really want much higher taxes to pay for government sponsored goodies for the entire population? Do they really want equality of black and white, rich and poor? Are they really eager to send their children to minority schools in order to desegregate? Do they really want to do away with competition in NY high schools that keeps the schools segregated? Do they really want low cost housing and homeless shelters in their neighborhoods?

Jeanette

Wed, Jun 20 2018, 10:03 am

Three of my grandparents were born in the U.S. My grandmother immigrated from Poland as a child. Her parents and siblings survived but her extended family (aunts, uncles, cousins) were murdered.

The question is not only how you got into the US but how you got out of Europe. Nobody you know ever crossed a border illegally, paid a smuggler or forged papers? People do what they need to do when their survival is at stake.

Nobody has yet answered what G-d given right we have to live here and what right we have to make it difficult for others fleeing for their lives. We live in a democratic country. WE decide what the laws should be. WE decide who should be given asylum.

Fox

Wed, Jun 20 2018, 10:11 am

I'd recalled this topic from a few years ago but couldn't find the link myself. Since then it's been publicized.

Apparently those evil conservatives, who want to stamp out compassion and empathy, were concerned about how illegal immigrants were being treated back in 2014. Strangely, the MSM found nothing worth pursuing while Democrats controlled the WH.

It's fine to want to fix immigration and it's obviously necessary to make changes in how we treat people crossing the border illegally. But no one braying about crying children has any moral high ground whatsoever. This story was well-known in 2014. The media just chose to point the cameras elsewhere.

Breitbart 2014

OBnursemom

Wed, Jun 20 2018, 3:16 pm

amother wrote:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/obama-administration-placed-children-with-human-traffickers-report-says/2016/01/28/39465050-c542-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html?utm_term=.e56a8d21f609

Someone who actually cares about these children and not just their politics will recognize that this isn’t right either. I’m not for either side. I’m for righting the wrong that was/is being done to these children.

amother

Jade

Wed, Jun 20 2018, 3:22 pm

Fox wrote:

Great tweet last night from Elliott Hamilton @ElliottRHams

"Holocaust denial comes in two forms: 1) Denying that the Holocaust even happened in the first place; and 2) whitewashing the actual depravity and industrial capacity of the Holocaust in order to compare it to a policy you viscerally disagree with. Refrain from both."

The second is actually far worse. Because you can't really deny that it happened. However, it's easy for everyone to believe the whitewashed facts. And the way our own people are contributing to this mindset is unforgivable.

33055

Wed, Jun 20 2018, 3:45 pm

amother wrote:

haha. Squishy has now directly called me stupid - I think. I never claimed outrage over it. My first post in response to her didn't even mention it - but its still nasty language.

I never called you stupid. I said you sound like a child when I explained to you about the catchphrase 3 times, and you still don't get it. Dr. Mom explained it to you. She also included Wikipedia, so that is now 5 explanations. It is bizarre how you can't understand this, yet claim your day job is something to do with history.

If this was me, at this point, I would have apologized for misunderstanding the post and claiming Squishy called me a name.

It seems something is off with your processing which may be why you are afraid of being called stupid.

Fox

Wed, Jun 20 2018, 3:47 pm

We were lied to once again.

Here's a tweet from Senator Kamala Harris of California:

Quote:

This Executive Order doesn’t fix the crisis. Indefinitely detaining children with their families in camps is inhumane and will not make us safe.

3:11 PM - 20 Jun 2018

So we can't detain children without their parents, and we can't detain them with their parents. Looks like we'll just have to let them go!

The goal was never to prevent family separation. It was always to promote open borders.