4 year old developed tics after flu shot - help!

amother

Slategray

Thu, Jan 17 2019, 1:31 pm

nchr wrote:

I have to read the study to comment on it, but "nor can they establish a connection" means that is not connected and not caused by vaccinations. There are some things that "we do not know" or results have been "inconclusive," but we have proven that vaccines do not cause autism although we do not know what does cause it. Vaccines are safe, although there are a small percentage of children that have an adverse reaction. I think the question here is why a large percentage of people have a fear that for some reason, against statistics, that their child will be the one to have the rare reaction? Is that how you feel when you get a car or when you eat peanuts? I think I've discussed this topic ad naseum and I have always done it with dignity, respect and poise so I don't want to nit pick, but vaccines have saves hundreds of thousands and probably millions or billions of lives. Still, you have a choice to not vaccinate your child because that is your constitutional right.

Studies have been done on large numbers to prove that vaccines don't cause autism.
But have there been studies done of subgroups? If you don't test sub groups, you won't get true results for those subgroups. That may be why parents of kids in subgroups (such as siblings of kids with autism, or families with mitachondrial disorder) still feel leery of the statistics. When I last spoke about this with a highly regarded neurologist, about 5 years ago it was indeed a concern of hers.
I don't know if further studies on subgroups were done since then.

anon because I've discussed this conversation with doc in real life.

WastingTime

Thu, Jan 17 2019, 1:46 pm

My son developed tics at age 7 out of nowhere. No flu shot before. It's normal
https://childrensmd.org/uncate.....list/
Quote:

Eye-blinking, throat-clearing, facial grimacing and sniffing – tics are brief and sudden unwanted, repetitive, stereotyped movements or sounds. Though alarming to many parents, about 20 percent of school age children develop tics at some point, though less than 3 percent of them display those tics for more than a year.

Vaccine 'detox' is an unfounded dangerous practice!!!!

amother

Ginger

Thu, Jan 17 2019, 2:02 pm

WastingTime wrote:

Just because something is common, that does not mean it’s normal!

amother

Powderblue

Thu, Jan 17 2019, 2:11 pm

amother wrote:

So what you're saying is well, we know that vaccines don't cause autism, given the large number of studies already conducted (and the lack of any reliable studies to the contrary).

But, well, you STILL think that vaccines cause autism. So let's do some more studies on it, because even though there's no evidence, you're sure that's the answer.

Meanwhile, let's ignore research into whether genetics has a role. Maternal and paternal age. Close spacing of children (particularly relevant here). Because we don't have enough money to research it all, and its GOTTA be vaccines!

amother

Mauve

Thu, Jan 17 2019, 2:20 pm

amother wrote:

You completely missed what she said. Re-read it. Studies on subgroups can show completely different results than studies done on a larger population. So while studies done on the general population may show no link with autism, a study done on people who may have genetic pre-dispositions might very well show a significant link. I'm not an anti-vaxxer at all, and I have no strong feelings or knowledge about the autism link, but this idea of not enough evidence because of lack of subgroup studies makes perfect sense.

amother

Mustard

Thu, Jan 17 2019, 2:22 pm

amother wrote:

Please don’t post such blatant lies. And all those that liked her post just proved how gullible you guys are.

Excuse me??

I said I don't believe pediatricians use the multi dose. I didn't say I am positive that they never do. Personally I don't know any pediatricians that use the multi dose. They all use the single dose.

And it is absolutely true that thimerisol is not in the single dose vials.

amother

Taupe

Thu, Jan 17 2019, 8:20 pm

OP here is another paper that found a temporal link between vaccines and onset of tic disorder. Your concerns are completely valid. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p.....4035/

I don't know what area you're in, but if you're anywhere near NY, some drs that might be able to help are Dr. Kenneth Bock, Dr. Michael Elice, Dr. Lawrence Palevsky. Mary Hernandez Cerebello is a homeopath in NJ who can help with a protocol for neuroinflammation following vaccination. Some stuff you can start at home are vit c, zinc, vit e, cod liver oil, glutathione, activated charcoal (away from the other stuff) and epsom salt baths.

amother

Mistyrose

Thu, Jan 17 2019, 9:48 pm

amother wrote:

This study does not show any link, temporal or otherwise, between flu vaccine and tic disorder. Please read carefully before posting.

amother

Wine

Thu, Jan 17 2019, 11:04 pm

amother wrote:

Great advice here. Note that I wouldn’t do any of this without consulting a homeopath or HK.
If you state where you live or what type of things you would be willing to do perhaps we can give you more direction.
Epsom salt baths are easiest and cheapest but must be done only if you know what you’re doing. Homemade elderberry syrup will work on strengthening the immune system as you detox. It’s as good as cod liver oil and much more kid friendly. Let me know if you want the recipe.

imasoftov

Sun, Jan 20 2019, 6:49 am

amother wrote:

Health kinesiology
A big no no for this website. I’m a quack anyway because I believe that vaccines do more harm than good so it doesn’t matter.

I’m also a quack because I daven to Hashem to watch over my children and not let them catch any of the millions of the diseases out there that don’t even have a vaccine.

Health kinesiology can help with corrections and muscle testing.
Not be confused with energy testing.

You're not a quack unless you purport to offer treatments in these areas (that would include offering your services to daven *instead* of taking reasonable precautions and getting treatment if they fail, not *in addition to*) If you only withhold treatment from your own children, other terms might be appropriate, but quack isn't one of them.

Mother8605

Wed, Dec 14 2022, 12:31 pm

amother Mauve wrote:

My perfectly normal 4 year old who never displayed any sign of tics suddenly developed multiple tics within a week of getting his first flu shot. I found out later that the flu shot is the only vaccine that still has thimerosal in it. Of course we all know that the studies did not show any link between thimerosal and neurological changes. But just because no clinically significant link was found, doesn't mean that it's not possible it would have an effect in some people.

Does anyone have any experience with this? Conventional doctors will say it's "coincidental", but I am wondering if there are any specialists that anyone knows of who can help with this kind of thing?

Can I please get a follow-up from you on this? Have your son's tics gone away?

My 7 year old son has recently developed tics out of nowhere immediately following a flu shot so I am wondering how your situation played out and hoping this is just temporary.

Thank you!

amother

Taupe

Wed, Dec 14 2022, 1:06 pm

amother Silver wrote:

HK?
tricky stuff
went to a highly regarded HK practitioner
recommended many things
none worked
later went for bloodwork - voila! sugar was high, sugar resistance, and sugar was the culprit.

You're supposed to rule in or out frank medical issues before trying to treat alternatively.