Vaccine conference on Akeres Habayis

imasoftov

Wed, Apr 17 2019, 8:25 am

mommy3b2c wrote:

Wt**??? Is this cartoon for real???

The first time I saw it I was convinced it was satire, I mean, how could someone possibly be such an am haaretz to think a person should die rather than call for help on a cellphone. But I later found it an entire book of anti cellphone propaganda, including other cartoons drawn by the same hand.

JoyInTheMorning

Wed, Apr 17 2019, 8:29 am

imasoftov wrote:

Did it spill into the Jewish community on the UWS?

Yes. These were a mixture of non-religious, traditional, and Modern Orthodox Jews. Some were medical professionals, including a pediatrician who advocated selective and delayed vaxxing, and a dentist who referred patients to this pediatrician.

The pediatrician, who is still in practice, didn't accept any insurance, so I'd guess that there were relatively few frum Jews who went to his practice. But there are plenty of wealthy religious Jews on the UWS, so I don't really know.

amother

Natural

Wed, Apr 17 2019, 8:36 am

JoyInTheMorning wrote:

I lived on the UWS about 10 years later and I didn’t know anyone who was anti-vax.

JoyInTheMorning

Wed, Apr 17 2019, 8:00 pm

amother [ Natural ] wrote:

I lived on the UWS about 10 years later and I didn’t know anyone who was anti-vax.

You mean you live on the UWS now? I was describing what I observed a decade ago. I can tell you that this pediatrician is still on the Upper West Side and still not supportive of vaccinating as recommended. And I know of at least one crunchy anti-vax, anti-antibiotics, pro-homeopathic family who still lives there. Probably more.

Ravenclaw

Thu, Apr 18 2019, 12:58 am

I usually try avoiding vaccinations threads as much as possible, but because I am into literature, I had to share this:

Roald Dahl on Measles:
"Olivia, my eldest daughter, caught measles when she was seven years old. As the illness took its usual course I can remember reading to her often in bed and not feeling particularly alarmed about it. Then one morning, when she was well on the road to recovery, I was sitting on her bed showing her how to fashion little animals out of coloured pipe-cleaners, and when it came to her turn to make one herself, I noticed that her fingers and her mind were not working together and she couldn’t do anything.
'Are you feeling all right?' I asked her.
'I feel all sleepy,' she said.
In an hour, she was unconscious. In twelve hours she was dead.
The measles had turned into a terrible thing called measles encephalitis and there was nothing the doctors could do to save her. That was...in 1962, but even now, if a child with measles happens to develop the same deadly reaction from measles as Olivia did, there would still be nothing the doctors could do to help her. On the other hand, there is today something that parents can do to make sure that this sort of tragedy does not happen to a child of theirs. They can insist that their child is immunised against measles.
...I dedicated two of my books to Olivia, the first was ‘James and the Giant Peach’. That was when she was still alive. The second was ‘The BFG’, dedicated to her memory after she had died from measles. You will see her name at the beginning of each of these books. And I know how happy she would be if only she could know that her death had helped to save a good deal of illness and death among other children."
Roald Dahl, 1986

sra

Thu, Apr 18 2019, 2:11 pm

Ravenclaw wrote:

amother

White

Thu, Apr 18 2019, 3:13 pm

JoyInTheMorning wrote:

Selective and delayed vaxxing is very, very different from ant li vaxx. At the end of the day, his patients were likely vaccinated according to the mandates of the health department.

FranticFrummie

Thu, Apr 18 2019, 4:10 pm

I wonder how all these anti-vax people feel about the EL AL flight attendant in coma after getting measles.

I just read that there is little hope for her having a meaningful recovery, because of the extent of the brain damage. Crying

She was in perfect health, with no pre-existing conditions just a few days ago.

JoyInTheMorning

Thu, Apr 18 2019, 4:26 pm

amother [ White ] wrote:

Selective and delayed vaxxing is very, very different from ant li vaxx. At the end of the day, his patients were likely vaccinated according to the mandates of the health department.

Actually, not. Often it means that a patient gets 1 dose instead of the recommended 2 or 3. And some, like polio, not all. Which is not a problem currently in the US, but could be a problem if someone travels to Pakistan or Afghanistan or Syria.

amother

White

Thu, Apr 18 2019, 4:33 pm

JoyInTheMorning wrote:

I guess it depends on the pediatrician. My pediatrician, for example, does not recommend vaccines that are not required as a general rule. He also recommends doing one injection at a time and scheduling more frequent office visits for injection only. I consider that somewhat selective and delayed. But his patients are fully vaccinated per the requirements of the health department, including all doses of each vaccine.