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Should we dismantle the Foster Care System
Yes  
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No  
 78%  [ 32 ]
Depends. Will explain in comments  
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Total Votes : 41



amother
Lemon


 

Post Mon, Aug 19 2019, 1:45 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
There has to be somebody who has Authority over children - it's either parents or government.

The Supreme Court has issued many rulings that it is PARENTS who have custody of children and make decisions for children - not Government - unless the parent is proven Unfit.

Abusing and Neglecting Children IS a Crime. Therefore, Parents are entitled to all the Rights that criminals have. The Reason Parents are NOT charged with the Crime of abuse and neglect is that the government would LOSE in Court when there is a PUblic Trial, Open Evidence and a Jury.!


You're making this up as you go along, and getting it wrong.

There are 2 aspects -- civil and criminal. If a parent is criminally accused of abuse, she gets all of the rights to which an accused is entitled.

Family court is CIVIL.

The degree of proof is different. A criminal most be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If 4 year-old Suzy cannot remember whether she was raped on Tuesday or Wednesday, what time it was, and whether or not her sister had already gone to bed, the rapist is likely to get off. (BTDT) But that doesn't mean that we don't know that Suzy was repeatedly molested and is not safe in that home.
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#BestBubby




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Aug 19 2019, 1:46 pm
amother [ Lemon ] wrote:
Actually, that's not true.

There is not always a right to a trial by jury. Its only SERIOUS CRIMINAL cases under the US Constitution.

The state may guarantee the right of jury in other cases, as may federal laws.

Moreover, family court is generally open to the public.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/1......html

However, records may not be publicly available. Sort of like divorce records.


A person has a right to trial by jury if the sentence is more than 6 months in jail or in a civil matter of $75,000 or more.

Isn't taking away children worse than six months in jail or losing $75k?

Child abuse and Neglect ARE Crimes. The parents should be tried in Criminal Court and have all the Rights and Protections that criminals have: The Right to a Public Trial, Public Evidence and a Jury.

The Reason the parents are not charged with a crime - even though child abuse and neglect ARE crimes - is because the government wants the right to take away children without Public Trials, Public Evidence and Juries! In "Family Court" Parents are found guilty of child abuse or neglect - but without proper Due Process
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#BestBubby




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Aug 19 2019, 1:50 pm
amother [ Lemon ] wrote:
You're making this up as you go along, and getting it wrong.

There are 2 aspects -- civil and criminal. If a parent is criminally accused of abuse, she gets all of the rights to which an accused is entitled.

Family court is CIVIL.

.


Please answer these questions:

1. Is Child Abuse / Child Neglect a CRIME?

2. And if Child Abuse / Child Neglect is a CRIME (it is), WHY aren't the parents tried in Criminal Court?

(Answer: If parents were tried in criminal court with right to public trial, open evidence and a jury the government would lose and not be able to take away hundreds of thousands of children as they are illegally doing now).
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#BestBubby




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Aug 19 2019, 1:54 pm
amother [ Lemon ] wrote:
You're making this up as you go along, and getting it wrong.

There are 2 aspects -- civil and criminal. If a parent is criminally accused of abuse, she gets all of the rights to which an accused is entitled.

Family court is CIVIL.

The degree of proof is different. A criminal most be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If 4 year-old Suzy cannot remember whether she was raped on Tuesday or Wednesday, what time it was, and whether or not her sister had already gone to bed, the rapist is likely to get off. (BTDT) But that doesn't mean that we don't know that Suzy was repeatedly molested and is not safe in that home.


Rape is a CRIME. Why isn't the parent charged with Rape?

The law can be in case of parental rape the evidence does not have to be "beyond a reasonable doubt" to remove the child from the home (although it would have to be "beyond a reasonable doubt" to put parent in jail).

You have enormous Trust in the goodness of government and no trust in the goodness of American Citizens (Jury). Others disagree. Our Founding Fathers trusted the goodness of citizens (juries) more than then the goodness of government (judges, cps). But you know better.
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amother
Pumpkin


 

Post Mon, Aug 19 2019, 1:56 pm
#BestBubby wrote:
Wrong! Every parent automatically has custody of their children.

But other people can go to Court to take away custody from parents.

A parent does not have to go to Court to get custody of their children. Their children are theirs from birth - until a Judge takes away those children with No Due Process.


As lemon said, you are making stuff up as you go along. You are completely wrong. Not a little bit wrong. Why I bother answering your posts and getting annoyed with your nonsense is beyond me at this point.

Not only don't you understand the court system, but you aren't open to learning.
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#BestBubby




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Aug 19 2019, 1:59 pm
I also want to add that 85% of children removed from the home NOT for s-xual abuse and NOT for physical abuse but for "Neglect" which could mean very little or nothing. Parents have been charged with "neglect" for letting children play outside unsupervised.

Right now, New York State is trying to make sending children to Yeshiva "Neglect".

Moms who LOVE government so much, do you think sending children to yeshiva is Neglect? Because New York State does!
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