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Learned ladies: Matan Torah & marriage of Klal Yisroel



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Post Wed, Jan 29 2020, 5:28 pm
We are probably all familiar with the idea that Matan Torah was the marriage of Klal Yisroel to HKBH. (E.g. Moshe broke the luchos so that the kesubah was invalidated & they would not be held as guilty for the Egel).

The Luchos were the kesubah or maybe in the place of the chosson giving a ring etc.

What was the statement of Harei at Mekudeshes? Was it "atem tihiyu li mamleches kohanim v'[gentile] kadosh"? Or something else?

Do you know any source for this? (Asking for someone who's putting something together : )

Thanks!
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Post Wed, Jan 29 2020, 6:24 pm
Assuming that a) a verbal statement is necessary for kiddushin (it's a machlokes) and b) Matan Torah exactly followed the halachic model (which is hard to say -- who, for example, were the eidim?) then maybe one can argue that the first two dibros acted as the verbal statement, because through them Hashem established an exclusive relationship with us.

I'm not convinced, because the language of "I am your G-d" seems to follow the formulation of "הריני אישך הריני בעליך הריני ארוסיך" (I am your husband/betrothed) that the Gemara (Kiddushin 5b) rules does not count as kiddushin.

(Not relevant for this question, but because you are gathering sources -- if you have not already, see the Ba'al HaTurim Shemos 19:4 about how Matan Torah had all three elements of kiddushin: kesef, shtar and bi'ah.)
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Post Wed, Jan 29 2020, 11:08 pm
Quote:
(Not relevant for this question, but because you are gathering sources -- if you have not already, see the Ba'al HaTurim Shemos 19:4 about how Matan Torah had all three elements of kiddushin: kesef, shtar and bi'ah.)
Very interesting, will see if perhaps this will lead to other ideas

Thank you!
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