I'm tired of making the same argument over and over again!

amother

Seashell

Mon, May 25 2020, 4:56 pm

amother [ Aqua ] wrote:

I follow the law.
And, I believe the law is wrong.

Rosa Parks did not follow the law and did not give up her seat to a white person. She broke the law....what a ...

Open our schools

And she was arrested for it.

It's okay to defy an unjust law as an act of civil disobedience, but the civil part of the phrase indicates that the disobedient citizen accepts the consequences.

So yes, there will be a dispersion, summons, fine, cease and desist order, or whatever the law requires for any violation such as kids' carnival, school operating, nonessential store opening, or overcrowded minyan.

amother

Tan

Tue, May 26 2020, 10:37 am

amother [ Aqua ] wrote:

I follow the law.
And, I believe the law is wrong.

Rosa Parks did not follow the law and did not give up her seat to a white person. She broke the law....what a ...

Open our schools

And the Boston tea party.

Open our schools.

amother

Smokey

Tue, May 26 2020, 11:01 am

amother [ OP ] wrote:

So our cheder took the risk on the advice of our rebbe, and reopened right after Pesach. At first in smaller groups for few hours in basements with only younger melamdim. Then after 14 days of no spike, upped the groups, for longer hours. Once there was no spike and no new sick patients, cheder fully opened but without transportation.

So here's my question which I've asked in almost every thread and wasn't answered: Aside from the chilul Hashem issue, regarding the danger and rodef situation, over 5 weeks have passed, how does this not prove that the virus has passed over us? Why are posters still calling this reckless behavior and consider our boys to still be zooming or telelearning which is much much less efficient learning? We are arguing bittul torah over pikuach nefesh. It is totally safe here at this point.

Can anyone answer please?

Because not much can be extrapolated from this yet. All pandemics experience lulls. Some peter out, and the viruses disappear. But some return in a more lethal and dangerous form. It's too early to know yet which path this virus will follow, and we probably won't know till the Fall.

If we assume that this lull means its over, then we can all be in big trouble if Ch'v this returns in its more dangerous form. This is why we need to keep restrictions in place. This doesn't mean we can't reopen, it just means that we need to proceed with caution and keep some restrictions until time deems it completely safe.

No one wants a repeat of the month of April.

imasoftov

Tue, May 26 2020, 1:36 pm

I make no predictions about what will happen with the virus, but I do predict that this discussion will continue to repeat until sometime after the virus stops being a health concern with occasional flare-ups after that, such as on anniversaries of dates of importance, when the next threat to global health arises (even if it's entirely unlike this one and the recommendations of experts are quite different), and will remain endemic in the vaccination forum for the foreseeable future.

freilich

Tue, May 26 2020, 1:47 pm

HonesttoGod wrote:

So if police come to fine or arrest you - you’re ok with that then as a consequence.
Because at the end of the day law is law whether you like it or not.

Yes. I’m okay if they arrest me. It will give me a chance to raise my voice about the injustice hats going on.