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southernbubby




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Sep 27 2020, 4:00 pm
amother [ Mistyrose ] wrote:
I am a parent of a Ner Isreal boy, my son tested positive. I am so impressed with teh plan that was put in place, Ner Israel was a real bubble, it worked so well, nobody allowed in or out etc.
the outbreak has been traced to a guest who came in for RH without permission.
after all their hard work making it a safe place to be, that was their downfall. somebody else coming in and ruining it.
pls daven for the boys who are sick.
I am the OP of the humidifier thread, I am really worried about my son.
and he was super responsible and has been fully quarantining all this time since the outbreak began

please dont bash the yeshiva. Focus your thoughts on the innocents who are sick. thank you
gmar chasimah toavah


Have you had a chance to speak to the doctor about your son? Refua shleima to him. A couple of my grandchildren had it this past week. I am not your child's bubby but tell him that a bubby on imamother is concerned about him! Ask your Rav about the shiurim for him.
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amother
Cobalt


 

Post Sun, Sep 27 2020, 4:50 pm
Rubber Ducky wrote:
Good. That should contain it if the boys are isolated.


That woud be the case if 1/2 the men in scranton hadn't davened at the yeshiva for rosh hashana.
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amother
OP


 

Post Sun, Sep 27 2020, 5:07 pm
A Baltimore doctor involved with the situation said that almost 60 boys tested positive before this Shabbos, but they opted not to send a letter to the parents. They didn't want to cause alarm, but in the meantime others were infected. They said there were 3 pods, a b c, but in reality there were only 2, a and b. There was a bubble of protection until someone opted to break it by letting an outsider daven there for yom tov. Large groups were together, unmasked singing and davening for hours with a covid positive individual. So...

Oh, and they chose to use a family practice doctor who isn't an infectious disease specialist, nor an expert on covid as their medical "posek" because he gave them the permissions they wanted to have large group davening on rosh Hashanah instead of getting advice from the available covid specialists.
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Rubber Ducky




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Sep 27 2020, 5:11 pm
amother [ Cobalt ] wrote:
That woud be the case if 1/2 the men in scranton hadn't davened at the yeshiva for rosh hashana.

DS#2 was required to take an antibody test before davening in Scranton for RH. I don't know about Scranton residents.
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lasagna




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Sep 27 2020, 5:43 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
A Baltimore doctor involved with the situation said that almost 60 boys tested positive before this Shabbos, but they opted not to send a letter to the parents. They didn't want to cause alarm, but in the meantime others were infected. They said there were 3 pods, a b c, but in reality there were only 2, a and b. There was a bubble of protection until someone opted to break it by letting an outsider daven there for yom tov. Large groups were together, unmasked singing and davening for hours with a covid positive individual. So...

Oh, and they chose to use a family practice doctor who isn't an infectious disease specialist, nor an expert on covid as their medical "posek" because he gave them the permissions they wanted to have large group davening on rosh Hashanah instead of getting advice from the available covid specialists.

I don't understand where you are getting your information, most of which is entirely false!
You seem to have a vendeta against Ner Yisrael. Please elaborate on the outbreaks in your OWN son's yeshivas if you want to talk about how a yeshiva was lacking in precautions. (However on erev yom kippur perhaps stay away from bashing altogether)
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amother
OP


 

Post Sun, Sep 27 2020, 6:06 pm
I have no vendetta, but when kids come back to my city and my loved ones now have to quarantine their entire families over yom Kippur and sukkot because they were given false information from the school- and now the entire community is at risk because no one was told they had direct exposure before Shabbos, so now from Thursday night to this afternoon they were walking around and going to shul not knowing they were at risk and needed to quarantine it is everyone's business who lives here.
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lasagna




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Sep 27 2020, 6:13 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
I have no vendetta, but when kids come back to my city and my loved ones now have to quarantine their entire families over yom Kippur and sukkot because they were given false information from the school- and now the entire community is at risk because no one was told they had direct exposure before Shabbos, so now from Thursday night to this afternoon they were walking around and going to shul not knowing they were at risk and needed to quarantine it is everyone's business who lives here.

K but please don't spread inaccurate information and blame the yeshiva. The parents should not have taken their kids home. The situation was definitely clear by Friday when parents pulled their kids out. I just hope it was with the intention of qaurantining then at home.
Have an easy and meaningful fast
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amother
Brunette


 

Post Mon, Sep 28 2020, 1:34 pm
Banging head Banging head Banging head

Is anyone surprised?
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imasoftov




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Sep 28 2020, 2:56 pm
amother [ Turquoise ] wrote:
We have planes and bombs and all kinds of weapons

Come to think of it, why haven't we tried to use planes and bombs against Covid?
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Hashem_Yaazor




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Sep 28 2020, 8:40 pm
I know of at least 3 other yeshivos not mentioned on this thread that have an outbreak.
To think covid can disappear is ridiculous. It's here and not going away any time soon. It's amazing how long there were no outbreaks for!

And my son is in group c, not sure what you mean about them not keeping separate. He has been.
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amother
Mistyrose


 

Post Tue, Sep 29 2020, 12:15 am
Hashem yaazor, I suspect that all the boys in group C will also test positive....
my son was in group C and left on Thursday. and he was positive on motzei shabbos. When he left, nobody in his grade had tested positive or was showing symptoms yet.
I hope your son is staying for the beginning of Succos, because if not, he will likely test positive when he gets home which will affect your whole family... good luck. would love to know if you are keeping him in yeshiva!
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amother
Tangerine


 

Post Tue, Sep 29 2020, 12:59 am
So are boys from Ner going home for sukkot?
Isn't that not right for our community if so????
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Hashem_Yaazor




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Sep 29 2020, 8:19 am
amother [ Mistyrose ] wrote:
Hashem yaazor, I suspect that all the boys in group C will also test positive....
my son was in group C and left on Thursday. and he was positive on motzei shabbos. When he left, nobody in his grade had tested positive or was showing symptoms yet.
I hope your son is staying for the beginning of Succos, because if not, he will likely test positive when he gets home which will affect your whole family... good luck. would love to know if you are keeping him in yeshiva!

Not a single boy in c from my community or his grade at least that stayed tested positive from what it sounds like.

He's been pretty quarantined there with just the C group and I plan on quarantining more here and getting him tested. We're being responsible, but I think the yeshiva did a good job as well with as crazy as covid unknowns can be.
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Hashem_Yaazor




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Sep 29 2020, 8:22 am
He said last night there were 80 positives.
There were 70 ppl in group A that he thought accounted for most of those. He was assuming the bulk of the rest was from group B.

He's likely right statistically.

I don't think quarantining him here and letting him go out after he retests negative later this week is irresponsible unless we find out he had direct exposure. CDC doesn't consider being on the same campus as direct exposure. None of his friends he was in contact with since RH tested positive.
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amother
Goldenrod


 

Post Tue, Sep 29 2020, 9:22 am
I have no idea what precautions Ner or Shlangers took and what the story is with the parents.

All I know is that the Baltimore community is fuming because all our children were sent home from school till October 19th.

Thanks a lot. I needed this like a hole in my head.
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Hashem_Yaazor




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Sep 29 2020, 10:05 am
There were many cases in Baltimore before it crept into Ner Yisroel and Shlangers. It's amazing there weren't any cases until now. Schools have had classes in quarantine off and on since the school year started.
People going to weddings seem to have brought it back to Baltimore. I knew this in August already.

Not sure why you're blaming the yeshiva.
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amother
Magenta


 

Post Tue, Sep 29 2020, 10:39 am
Weddings (there was a bus that went to a wedding in Lakewood in August and there were several cases from that trip), and kids who came back from camp.

This is an unpopular opinion I know, but it was very foolish of people here to send their kids to camp and mingle with others from places that had had high exposure.
Definitely foolish to travel on a van or bus to a wedding in another state that was a full blown wedding! At least, if they had driven themselves & been careful with masks at the wedding it might have cut down on cases brought back to Baltimore.
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amother
Brown


 

Post Tue, Sep 29 2020, 10:50 am
amother [ Goldenrod ] wrote:
I have no idea what precautions Ner or Shlangers took and what the story is with the parents.

All I know is that the Baltimore community is fuming because all our children were sent home from school till October 19th.

Thanks a lot. I needed this like a hole in my head.


Local shuls had outbreaks Rosh Hashana already. Nothing to do with the yeshiva.
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amother
Tan


 

Post Wed, Sep 30 2020, 10:12 am
I'd like to clear up a few matters, as a Baltimore amother with a son in R' Slanger's who tested positive and has several children in other schools:

1. Slanger's has been amazing this whole zman about corona. They were so careful and were constantly testing. I truly feel bad for them that despite all the precautions they had an outbreak. They are still being responsible. Yeshiva is remaining open until chol hamoed, at which time the boys who are positive will be out of isolation.

2. The other schools decided to have distance learning the week after Sukkos well before the outbreak at Ner/Slanger's. I know this from the hanhala at Bais Yaakov. This decision was made to allow time for symptoms to show up in those people who are traveling or hosting for Yom Tov (and there are many who had plans to do so, although I hope they have changed their minds). While I understand it is frustrating to have the kids on Zoom, and I am in that group of frustrated parents trying unsuccessfully to work from home while my kids are in "school", it is only 2 extra days because of the outbreak. Parents should not be "fuming" (per a previous poster) because of 2 days.

3. As I do not have a son currently in Ner I do not feel it is my place to comment, but everyone should try to be dan l'kaf zchus. Knowing the hanhala and the way the yeshiva is run in general, I truly believe there has been no negligence. This is what Hakadosh Baruch Hu wanted and we need to deal with it and learn our lessons going forward.

May we be zoche to have all bochurim home and heathy soon so that we can celebrate Yom Tov together.
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amother
Lemon


 

Post Wed, Sep 30 2020, 10:48 am
amother [ Tan ] wrote:
I'd like to clear up a few matters, as a Baltimore amother with a son in R' Slanger's who tested positive and has several children in other schools:

1. Slanger's has been amazing this whole zman about corona. They were so careful and were constantly testing. I truly feel bad for them that despite all the precautions they had an outbreak. They are still being responsible. Yeshiva is remaining open until chol hamoed, at which time the boys who are positive will be out of isolation.

2. The other schools decided to have distance learning the week after Sukkos well before the outbreak at Ner/Slanger's. I know this from the hanhala at Bais Yaakov. This decision was made to allow time for symptoms to show up in those people who are traveling or hosting for Yom Tov (and there are many who had plans to do so, although I hope they have changed their minds). While I understand it is frustrating to have the kids on Zoom, and I am in that group of frustrated parents trying unsuccessfully to work from home while my kids are in "school", it is only 2 extra days because of the outbreak. Parents should not be "fuming" (per a previous poster) because of 2 days.

3. As I do not have a son currently in Ner I do not feel it is my place to comment, but everyone should try to be dan l'kaf zchus. Knowing the hanhala and the way the yeshiva is run in general, I truly believe there has been no negligence. This is what Hakadosh Baruch Hu wanted and we need to deal with it and learn our lessons going forward.

May we be zoche to have all bochurim home and heathy soon so that we can celebrate Yom Tov together.

My husband teaches in one of those two schools, I am not saying which. One of the outbreaks was caused by an outsider coming into the beis medrish and learning for a day there. That was on a Wednesday. By Friday, he started feeling sick. He got tested and was positive. Each of the bochrim he learned with and others who were in the beis medrish at the same times as him also tested positive a few days later. Being CAREFUL means NOT letting in outsiders. Thats not what happened here.

I have kids in TA and Bnos. The campuses are 100% closed to anyone who is not a teacher or student there. This school where my husband teaches is NOT closed. That is not being careful. And there was testing the other day and no, not all the bochrim at the school was tested.
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