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amother
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Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 9:49 am
southernbubby wrote:
So in order to preserve the economy, should we encourage people to eat at restaurants and work out at the gym and just accept that they will probably catch covid? Big weddings and holiday gatherings also build the economy but they also aid in the spread of coronavirus. Which path should we take?


It has to go by city, by situation, by herd immunity, by sensible laws like airplanes and weddings have the same crowds and germs so the government has got to make up Their freakin mind!

If dining in is banned, but closed , winterized outdoor tents that have less breathing space than indoors is allowed, then how much more stupidity can we bare?

As long as the rules don’t make any sense, people KNOW it isn’t for their health and safety.

Of casinos are open but schools are shut, how can you believe this is about health?


We need to hold our politicians accountable to do what’s right.
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amother
Blush


 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 9:49 am
I suppose it depends what you mean by recovery rate:
This study has 40k participants-
https://nypost.com/2021/01/18/.....tudy/
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Amalia




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 10:06 am
iyar wrote:
This is something we've rehashed over and over. The part I always find it hard to understand is that we're all Torah observant Jewish women here (or that's what Yael would like us to be). We all have as one of our top priorities- often to the exclusion of other priorities- saving and preserving lives. Do people realize that one percent means one out of a hundred people? When hundreds of thousands of people are getting sick- that's a lot of deaths. (Not to mention the people who thankfully survive but spend weeks and months suffering.)
Is this endless discussion a result of some problem with doing the math? Or do people just conclude that every single one of the one out of a hundred who die will be someone very old and sick that they didn't know personally so it doesn't matter?


Thank you for saying it, iyar,

The bolded has been the most bewildering aspect of the attitude of the frum community in the NY-NJ area for me.
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mig100




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 10:17 am
amother [ Ivory ] wrote:
Well yes, because really they all get money from the government and therefore the government controls them. Besides the doctors who you see on whatsapp clips, those are the only ones who speak the truth.
/S



lol . lol I seriously don't know what else to say to something so rediculous.
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southernbubby




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 10:25 am
amother [ Peach ] wrote:
It has to go by city, by situation, by herd immunity, by sensible laws like airplanes and weddings have the same crowds and germs so the government has got to make up Their freakin mind!

If dining in is banned, but closed , winterized outdoor tents that have less breathing space than indoors is allowed, then how much more stupidity can we bare?

As long as the rules don’t make any sense, people KNOW it isn’t for their health and safety.

Of casinos are open but schools are shut, how can you believe this is about health?


We need to hold our politicians accountable to do what’s right.


Airplanes can enforce some rules that might make somewhat less transmission but at weddings, people are dancing and eating together, usually without any masks.
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amother
Peach


 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 10:31 am
southernbubby wrote:
Airplanes can enforce some rules that might make somewhat less transmission but at weddings, people are dancing and eating together, usually without any masks.



Where are the inspectors that were parading around Jewish neighborhoods for weeks?

They can enforce small crowds , social distant, at weddings.

Instead of shutting wedding halls completely, they can enforce rules. People would listen much sooner to 50 person wedding rules then to “no weddings at all” for a whole year!


But why the need to concentrate on our communities? We can talk about the entire country being led upside down during this pandemic.


Funeral crowd, dangerous. Protest crowds ok.

Casinos with no SD, ( I was in many since the pandemic started, big crowds, no SD, masks enforced) ok, wedding in the same big venues, not ok.

Schools no, airplanes yes, restaurants no, swimming pools yes, theaters yes, Church no, home parties no, congress meetings yes, gyms no, stores no, Walmart yes.
Does this make sense? Why would anybody follow such rules?

You have to be consistent! Otherwise people couldn’t care less about rules!
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Miri1




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 10:50 am
amother [ Blush ] wrote:
I suppose it depends what you mean by recovery rate:
This study has 40k participants-
https://nypost.com/2021/01/18/.....tudy/


The title states that a one in eight of recovered patients die within five months.
Then the article states that the mean age of the study is 65.
And it also seems like it is talking about recovered hospitalized patients, meaning, we are talking about patients who were seriously ill.

It is a sobering article nonetheless, indicating that there is a 30% readmittance rate.


This means that real people are suffering long term effects that are severe enough for re-hospitalization.
We need to stretch ourselves, for the sake of all.
Even for those who don't worry about others in the high risk category, this is negatively affecting healthcare on all levels and in many seemingly unrelated departments.

When people say lockdowns don't work, what do you define as working?
To me a lockdown works if it enables the healthcare system to resume a relatively smooth operation.

Then, once the major restrictions are lifted, it's up to everyone to help everyone else by doing their small part.

We need to work on our collective stamina.
And keep our priorities straight.
The poster above is 100% right that school comes before casinos.
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imorethanamother




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 11:24 am
amother [ Hotpink ] wrote:
He actually does have the power to enact an organised federal response in the event of a national disaster. You know how the federal goes in to help states during hurricanes? How about during wartime?

On top of that, the US federal government has broad powers to interfere and take authority over things that affect interstate commerce. It's called the interstate commerce clause. Look it up. It's what gives the federal government the authority to arrest marijuana growers in California even after the state, and yes their governor, legalised it. I can't think of anything in our history that has affected interstate commerce in the US more than COVID did. The federal government had the power to organise a response if they wanted to, they just didn't want to. It was probably too difficult because it required more work than could be fit into a tweet. So blame the states and their governors.


If you're not from the States, don't talk about things you don't understand. Trump was the most hated president in recent history, and politicians worked overtime to overthrow him from the second he took office. His very first stance in January was to close the borders to everyone from Asian countries, and politicians, senators, governors, Pelosi the head of House, all ran to Chinatown and Koreatown, without masks, embracing their citizens and decrying Trump as a racist sociopath.

We aren't New Zealand or Singapore or Australia, we're not an island. We aren't Canada, we don't have geographical borders limiting entry. Trump can't build a wall between Mexico and ourselves to limit illegal immigration because liberals won't let.

You're not an effective president if no one will let you enact all these powers you say he has. It has its good points and bad.


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imorethanamother




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 11:29 am
SixOfWands wrote:
"Ruined for life"? OMG! The horrors of an 8 year old not having playdates for a whole year. She'll never live a normal life, never hold a job or have children.

So much better if her parents died, or if she suffered permanent heart damage, than suffer such a fate.

I don't mean to minimize the very real social and economic effects of the pandemic. Our government should have done a whole lot more to help small businesses and help those impacted by the economic effects. Hopefully it will in the future.

And the mental health system in the US is ALWAYS awful.

But to use that as an attack on decisions that likely saved tens of thousands of lives is absurd.


I work in behavioral health, and you really don't know what you're talking about. You don't like it when people dismiss your concerns about Covid, don't dismiss the nearly 200 phone calls we get daily regarding teens with suicidal tendencies and other severe problems. Two hundred. In one day. I'm not making this up. Granted, that's nationwide, (US), but it's not insignificant.
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iyar




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 11:34 am
amother [ Slategray ] wrote:
That's because Biden said all the deaths were Trump's fault. It stands to reason that a new president with new and better ideas will stop the problem in it's tracks. Covid should be over in 24 hours from now.


You remind me of the endless humorous memes passed around on social media about covid disappearing if Biden was elected. It wasn’t all humor. Countless people in our community believed that corona was a creation of the media to make Trump look bad and if Biden was elected the virus would disappear. Biden is about to be sworn in and the left wing Trump hating media is still reporting deaths, overcrowded hospitals, numbers going up and problems with vaccine distribution. A part of me hoped that my friends were right and the sickness would somehow end after Biden’s election. Like a lot of the right wing propaganda it was just another lie.
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amother
Seashell


 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 11:34 am
In my 50s and totally agree with Op
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amother
Lemon


 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 11:34 am
DH works for ichud hatzolah. We live in a very chareidi neighborhood and there's at least one call a day for domestic violence or abuse. Sometimes even three or four.

It wasn't like this before COVID.
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amother
Peach


 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 11:42 am
iyar wrote:
You remind me of the endless humorous memes passed around on social media about covid disappearing if Biden was elected. It wasn’t all humor. Countless people in our community believed that corona was a creation of the media to make Trump look bad and if Biden was elected the virus would disappear. Biden is about to be sworn in and the left wing Trump hating media is still reporting deaths, overcrowded hospitals, numbers going up and problems with vaccine distribution. A part of me hoped that my friends were right and the sickness would somehow end after Biden’s election. Like a lot of the right wing propaganda it was just another lie.


That’s not true.
Nobody denies that Covid is real.
But being that it is catastrophic, the left was using this to earn power and money and blame Trump for it all.
In no other country was the leader blamed for Covid like Trump was, and the tragedies were worldwide.
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fleetwood




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 11:46 am
amother [ Peach ] wrote:
Where are the inspectors that were parading around Jewish neighborhoods for weeks?

They can enforce small crowds , social distant, at weddings.

Instead of shutting wedding halls completely, they can enforce rules. People would listen much sooner to 50 person wedding rules then to “no weddings at all” for a whole year!


But why the need to concentrate on our communities? We can talk about the entire country being led upside down during this pandemic.


Funeral crowd, dangerous. Protest crowds ok.

Casinos with no SD, ( I was in many since the pandemic started, big crowds, no SD, masks enforced) ok, wedding in the same big venues, not ok.

Schools no, airplanes yes, restaurants no, swimming pools yes, theaters yes, Church no, home parties no, congress meetings yes, gyms no, stores no, Walmart yes.
Does this make sense? Why would anybody follow such rules?

You have to be consistent! Otherwise people couldn’t care less about rules!


Where are you located that casinos are ok but weddings aren't? Where are you that schools are closed and stores are closed? Where is this?
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amother
Peach


 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 11:48 am
fleetwood wrote:
Where are you located that casinos are ok but weddings aren't? Where are you that schools are closed and stores are closed? Where is this?


In various states and cities in the USA.
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fleetwood




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 11:51 am
amother [ Peach ] wrote:
In various states and cities in the USA.


Please name me one state..I really am curious to understand..
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southernbubby




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 11:54 am
amother [ Peach ] wrote:
Where are the inspectors that were parading around Jewish neighborhoods for weeks?

They can enforce small crowds , social distant, at weddings.

Instead of shutting wedding halls completely, they can enforce rules. People would listen much sooner to 50 person wedding rules then to “no weddings at all” for a whole year!


But why the need to concentrate on our communities? We can talk about the entire country being led upside down during this pandemic.


Funeral crowd, dangerous. Protest crowds ok.

Casinos with no SD, ( I was in many since the pandemic started, big crowds, no SD, masks enforced) ok, wedding in the same big venues, not ok.

Schools no, airplanes yes, restaurants no, swimming pools yes, theaters yes, Church no, home parties no, congress meetings yes, gyms no, stores no, Walmart yes.
Does this make sense? Why would anybody follow such rules?

You have to be consistent! Otherwise people couldn’t care less about rules!


I don't think that many people cooperated with 50 people weddings. Early on we were hearing about ways to get around that limit. Maybe some people made smaller weddings but what percentage of weddings really stuck to 50?
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rakcna




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 11:57 am
mig100 wrote:
Huh??????? Really?????????????
Any medical professionals herr want to confirm this???????????

I'm a medical professional. I have been tracking covid since December 2019. I highly doubt that politicians use the same sources that I use.

In addition to a number of public health resources such as JHU's tracker, we have drawn from research on SARS, MERS, other pandemics. In addition, we partnered with a medical school so that we could have their students and faculty stay on top of updates in spread and research into treatments.
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amother
Ivory


 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 11:57 am
amother [ Peach ] wrote:
Where are the inspectors that were parading around Jewish neighborhoods for weeks?

They can enforce small crowds , social distant, at weddings.

Instead of shutting wedding halls completely, they can enforce rules. People would listen much sooner to 50 person wedding rules then to “no weddings at all” for a whole year!


But why the need to concentrate on our communities? We can talk about the entire country being led upside down during this pandemic.


Funeral crowd, dangerous. Protest crowds ok.

Casinos with no SD, ( I was in many since the pandemic started, big crowds, no SD, masks enforced) ok, wedding in the same big venues, not ok.

Schools no, airplanes yes, restaurants no, swimming pools yes, theaters yes, Church no, home parties no, congress meetings yes, gyms no, stores no, Walmart yes.
Does this make sense? Why would anybody follow such rules?

You have to be consistent! Otherwise people couldn’t care less about rules!


It's really immature and lacking intelligence for people to say that the inconsistency means we should ignore everything. It just seems like they're looking for excuses not to do anything, including what is really logical.
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amother
Peach


 

Post Mon, Jan 18 2021, 12:02 pm
amother [ Ivory ] wrote:
It's really immature and lacking intelligence for people to say that the inconsistency means we should ignore everything. It just seems like they're looking for excuses not to do anything, including what is really logical.


Who says to ignore everything?

When rules don’t make sense, people do what their common sense tells them to.
And there are all levels of common sense in society...
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