S/o dont want the vaccine - johnson and johnson

wiki

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 9:26 pm

amother [ Cerulean ] wrote:

According to Dr Ken Beigeleisen, MD, PhD who specialises in this expertise, Novavax only contains the spike protein inserted into you with no genetic materials. Sinopharm & Sinovac use the old fashioned standard technology of inserting the whole inactivated virus. He says it is madness that we are jumping head first into the other vaccines. So if you are going to vax, get one of the above ones wherever they are available.

Imo, take his advice especially if you still plan on having children.

1) Millions of women have gotten the mRNA vaccines, and many of them have gotten pregnant. If there were any evidence to suggest otherwise, it would be coming out by now, and it would take a global conspiracy to suppress.

2) If the mRNA vaccines were able to cause infertility, then recovery from Covid itself would also cause infertility too. The body responds to both with the same immune response.

amother

Wheat

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 9:30 pm

wiki wrote:

Laiya, you're being misleading, I think on purpose.

All of the vaccines have FDA "authorization" even if they don't yet have FDA "approval." You're making it sound like the FDA doesn't authorize their use and vouch for their preliminary safety, when they absolutely do.

Emergency authorization. When drugs are authorized for emergency it's for very sick people who have nothing to lose. A last ditch effort. A "Hail Mary," if you will (to borrow a very unJewish sounding sports term). How sad that so many have been convinced that this is the situation they are in when they are perfectly healthy and low to moderate risk with so many medicines that are excellent remedies when taken early. But everyone has been successfully convinced that drugs that actually have been proven safe and effective (and yes, when it comes to pharmaceuticals all come with some level of risk - there is no 100% safe medicine made in this world) and been around for decades are somehow dangerous and this under tested new vax is 0 risk. Craziness. Just pure craziness.

amother

Cerulean

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 9:39 pm

wiki wrote:

Sorry I was unclear. The reason to choose these 3 over the other 3 is not because it might make you infertile.

It is because it *can* alter dna. Maybe not every time, but to his experience it does happen and this is something you want to avoid 100%. Because if it does happen to you, you will pass down that altered dna permanently for all generations.

He cites many journal articles supporting this from his long career. He is adamant that they have not yet proven that is *cannot* happen for the long term, which is how careful you need to be of this side effect, *does not* is not good enough. The Novavax, Sinovax, Sinopharm are vaccines that do not carry this extra gamble.

wiki

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 9:50 pm

amother [ Wheat ] wrote:

I think you're mischaracterizing the risk trade-offs that people who prefer vaccination have assessed.

In my mind, it goes this way:
--Risks of not getting vaccinated include all the risks of getting Covid which are amply documented and not much under dispute. I don't fear dying of Covid because I am young and healthy BH, although I know that such risks do exist on a low level. I would be more concerned about minor long-lasting neurological or cardiological impacts which affect a large minority of infected people. Moreover, there is the risk of spreading a case to other more vulnerable people. And there is the risk that the virus itself will mutate into something more lethal or more resilient to treatment if we allow to to spread in an endemic way. Broadly speaking, when healthy people get the vaccine they are contributing to saving many lives.

--Risks of getting vaccinated include the possibility that something new will come up and make the vaccines dangerous, even though our current understanding on millions of test subjects indicates that these risks are one-in-a-million. There is certainly a risk that something new will come up, and I've said since last fall that I fully expect some new documented side effect to emerge. But it would have to be worse than the risks of Covid (above) for the vaccine to not be worth it...and there is already a great deal of data suggesting that no such risk exists. I also have to factor in the unknown risk of what might be learned in the years ahead. Considering that there is no precedent of a vaccine causing years-later side effects, I see no specific reason to warrant much fear about this.

amother

Brunette

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 9:56 pm

SixOfWands wrote:

Yes.

And you believe that the US would fund J&J's development of a vaccine through Operation Warp Speed, including pre-payment for vaccine doses, then deliberately and falsely tank them in order to provide greater support to a company that it had not already funded and that, as to the Biontech component, is a foreign company.

That it would endanger the lives of countless Americans, AND purposely make Biden look bad by delaying the vaccination process beyond the time promised by Biden.

Why would they do that?

I think the concern is that the government is not being truthful that there were only 6 cases out of 6.8 million doses. It seems preposterous that they would pull the vaccine based on those numbers. It seems possible that the numbers are far worse or the vaccine wouldn't have been pulled.

wiki

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 9:57 pm

Laiya wrote:

Wow, a personal attack.

No, I'm not misleading. There is a significant difference between Emergency Use and FDA approval. The vaccines do NOT have FDA approval and it is misleading to imply otherwise.

Forgive me if you felt attacked. Seriously, that wasn't my intention!

When you wrote that "NONE of the vaccines have FDA approval" I interpreted that to mean that you wanted others on here to understand that the FDA doesn't authorize their use or vouch for their efficacy or preliminary safety.

The FDA does authorize their use, and vouch for their efficacy and preliminary safety. That was my point. The FDA did this based on results of substantial data and evidence collected in double-blinded, phase 3 clinical trials (which are necessary for Emergency Use Authorizations).

The phase 3 trials are ongoing to assess how long the immunity lasts, and when/if booster doses will be necessary, and the FDA will issue final approval with that information.

My intention wasn't to attack, but to highlight that it seemed to me that you were intentionally leaving out context to your words to make it sound like the FDA isn't so sure about these vaccines. FDA Emergency Use Authorization is not some willy-nilly, data-lacking, experimental treatment some of you are making it out to be.

wiki

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 9:59 pm

amother [ Brunette ] wrote:

My understanding is that the vaccine is "on hold" just for a few days until the authorities can give guidance to doctors about the risk factors for developing the blood clots and about important things to know about how to treat the blood clots. Experts are expecting J&J shots to resume in America in the next few days. Many medications with far greater risks are legal and given all the time; they just also have clear fine print.

mo5

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 10:33 pm

amother [ Cerulean ] wrote:

Nova ax isn’t out there yet.
and the Chinese using old fashioned technology have ineffective vaccines .
See here fo example: https://apnews.com/article/chi.....f6ef9

(And if they admit it even in part....then for certain it’s worse).

J&J uses similar technology to the Oxford /AZ- which has a similar rate clotting issue and has been pulled from use for younger people in Canada Europe Britain and Australia

Laiya

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 10:56 pm

amother [ Pink ] wrote:

I read this back in November, so I could be totally off. But here
https://www.pfizer.com/news/pr.....ccine
I can’t find the other one, but it was 50 something pages long and broke everything down.

It's the company's own press release. The headline is intentionally misleading. If you read the actual body of the press release, " Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced that, after conducting the final efficacy analysis in their ongoing Phase 3 study"

Laiya

Tue, Apr 13 2021, 11:15 pm

wiki wrote:

Apology accepted.

FDA approval and Emergency Use are specific terms and have different, specific meanings. In fact the EUA for Pfizer itself states "There is no U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved vaccine to
prevent COVID-19."

There are strict protocols that all drug companies must follow before the FDA will grant approval. That cannot happen before Phase 3 trials are completed. For one thing, the FDA wants to assess safety and efficacy over the passage of time; that's why Phase 3 can't be completed in 3 months.

Emergency Use Authorization, on the other hand, does not carry the same assurances of safety or efficacy. It is made on the basis of a risk-benefit analysis for people who might be facing a life-threatening situation.

No one said Emergency Use is granted with *no* testing, but it does not carry the FDA's assurance of safety and efficacy that we expect from an FDA approved drug that has completed phase 3 trials.

Here's the EUA in its own words:

wrote:

The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine has not undergone the same type of review as
an FDA-approved or cleared product. FDA may issue an EUA when certain criteria are
met, which includes that there are no adequate, approved, available alternatives. In
addition, the FDA decision is based on the totality of scientific evidence available
showing that the product may be effective to prevent COVID-19 during the COVID-19
pandemic and that the known and potential benefits of the product outweigh the known
and potential risks of the product. All of these criteria must be met to allow for the
product to be used in the treatment of patients during the COVID-19 pandemic.

amother

Babyblue

Wed, Apr 14 2021, 12:53 am

I and dh took the j and j vaccine on sun...I am remote now and wanted to wait but im sure my job will soon say I need to be vaccinated to work...so I went to get the vaccine...

I had fever/weakness on day 2 and dh had chills/headache on day 2. day 3 we were fine....I do agree with the poster that something is being done to protect phizer/moderna against j and j and yes, drs can cover up anything and have power to write....on death cert. most ppl will not be checking up on it(I work in data/records and have seen so much coverup/dishonesty...it happens all over)

my family friend's bil died a few days after taking phizer or moderna....and he was healthy so it def. was from the vaccine.....they are not writing it as a cause of death and they are keeping it out of the media purposely just like I see some antitrump ...on media but mostly probiden news and hardly any coverage on border crisis etc....something is going on...and isnt it interesting that my friend's dr suggested she shld get the vaccine but he,himself is not taking it!

HakarasHatov

Wed, Apr 14 2021, 6:33 am

amother [ Babyblue ] wrote:

what is the cause of death that the are listing or what were the complications that lead to his death?