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amother
Jade
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 Thu, Jun 10 2021, 6:55 pm
| amother [ Freesia ] wrote: | Right, it can.
It might.
It hasn't been ruled out as impossible.
It warrants further study.
Exactly why some people are uncomfortable with getting the vaccine now before full long term studies have been completed. |
No, there is a remote possibility that oncolytics and VGBTs can.
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simcha2
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Thu, Jun 10 2021, 7:01 pm
[quote="amother [ Topaz ]"] | simcha2 wrote: | How could you shed the virus if you are never exposed to it?
(The covid vaccine doesn't "work" through exposure to the virus)[/quote
It's not the virus...its the spike protein that's in the vaccines. |
Right. Which is why you can't shed virus after the vaccine. It is a ridiculous assertion.
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amother
Topaz
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Thu, Jun 10 2021, 7:04 pm
| simcha2 wrote: | | Right. Which is why you can't shed virus after the vaccine. It is a ridiculous assertion. |
Once again, I don't tbink they are referring to the virus but rather the spike protein.
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amother
Jade
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Thu, Jun 10 2021, 7:07 pm
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Even if it were possible, it shouldn't have to be impossible for people to take the vaccine. It's not impossible to get injured by a seatbelt. It's not impossible to get an electric shock from a smoke detector. It's not impossible to stab yourself in the eye with safety goggles. All those things are still safer than not using them.
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amother
Topaz
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Thu, Jun 10 2021, 7:09 pm
| amother [ Jade ] wrote: | | Even if it were possible, it shouldn't have to be impossible for people to take the vaccine. It's not impossible to get injured by a seatbelt. It's not impossible to get an electric shock from a smoke detector. It's not impossible to stab yourself in the eye with safety goggles. All those things are still safer than not using them. |
Not sure what the comparison is. All the things you said are accidents and just part of normal living. When you take the vaccine you are voluntarily putting something in your body that may have adverse reactions.
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amother
Jade
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Thu, Jun 10 2021, 7:11 pm
| amother [ Topaz ] wrote: | | Not sure what the comparison is. All the things you said are accidents and just part of normal living. When you take the vaccine you are voluntarily putting something in your body that may have adverse reactions. |
You put things in your body that may have adverse reactions every single day. That is part of normal living.
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amother
Freesia
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Thu, Jun 10 2021, 7:17 pm
| simcha2 wrote: | | Right. Which is why you can't shed virus after the vaccine. It is a ridiculous assertion. |
Lots of research has shown that the spike protein alone is pathogenic.
The vaccine causes the body to produce trillions of spike proteins on each of several days. Are any of these pathogenic spike proteins exhaled by the person vaccinated? Released in sweat? Or coughing, sneezing or poop? And then inhaled by others?
The response to that will be that the spike protein never leaves the cell it's created within, so even if it does leave the body, it couldn't be transmitted to someone else and harm them. But that's incorrect. Research has found that spike proteins did leak into the blood of some vaccinated people in the study several days after the vaccine.
Side point, this leaking of spike protein into the blood might also explain a possible mechanism for how the vaccine is causing blood disorders like clots, brain bleeds and women's bleeding issues. Like most side effects, it's not something that happens to everyone, just some people as in the study.
But what's most concerning about all this, imo, is that until the research found spike proteins in the blood, that was claimed to be impossible.
Bottom line, people shedding spike hasn't been studied extensively and ruled out as impossible.
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amother
Freesia
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Thu, Jun 10 2021, 7:22 pm
| amother [ Jade ] wrote: | | Even if it were possible, it shouldn't have to be impossible for people to take the vaccine. It's not impossible to get injured by a seatbelt. It's not impossible to get an electric shock from a smoke detector. It's not impossible to stab yourself in the eye with safety goggles. All those things are still safer than not using them. |
Fair point. This is where cost benefit analysis comes in. The problem is that, because the mechanism of the vaccine is not fully understood, it's not possible to quantify the risk, we literally have no clue what all the risks are.
This is the problem with disregarding decades of scientific protocol in favor of a rapid, mass release.
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amother
Honey
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Thu, Jun 10 2021, 7:36 pm
| amother [ Freesia ] wrote: | Lots of research has shown that the spike protein alone is pathogenic.
The vaccine causes the body to produce trillions of spike proteins on each of several days. Are any of these pathogenic spike proteins exhaled by the person vaccinated? Released in sweat? Or coughing, sneezing or poop? And then inhaled by others?
The response to that will be that the spike protein never leaves the cell it's created within, so even if it does leave the body, it couldn't be transmitted to someone else and harm them. But that's incorrect. Research has found that spike proteins did leak into the blood of some vaccinated people in the study several days after the vaccine.
Side point, this leaking of spike protein into the blood might also explain a possible mechanism for how the vaccine is causing blood disorders like clots, brain bleeds and women's bleeding issues. Like most side effects, it's not something that happens to everyone, just some people as in the study.
But what's most concerning about all this, imo, is that until the research found spike proteins in the blood, that was claimed to be impossible.
Bottom line, people shedding spike hasn't been studied extensively and ruled out as impossible. |
THIS, THIS, THIS!!!!!
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amother
Midnight
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Thu, Jun 10 2021, 9:02 pm
| amother [ Topaz ] wrote: | | Not sure what the comparison is. All the things you said are accidents and just part of normal living. When you take the vaccine you are voluntarily putting something in your body that may have adverse reactions. |
Do you ever stick q-tips in your ear?
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amother
Topaz
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Thu, Jun 10 2021, 9:10 pm
| amother [ Midnight ] wrote: | | Do you ever stick q-tips in your ear? |
Are you really comparing a q-tip to a new vaccine that hasn't been tested long-term? If you really don't understand the difference, that's ok. I respect your choice, and in return you should respect everyone else's.
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simcha2
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Thu, Jun 10 2021, 11:11 pm
| amother [ Freesia ] wrote: | Lots of research has shown that the spike protein alone is pathogenic.
The vaccine causes the body to produce trillions of spike proteins on each of several days. Are any of these pathogenic spike proteins exhaled by the person vaccinated? Released in sweat? Or coughing, sneezing or poop? And then inhaled by others?
The response to that will be that the spike protein never leaves the cell it's created within, so even if it does leave the body, it couldn't be transmitted to someone else and harm them. But that's incorrect. Research has found that spike proteins did leak into the blood of some vaccinated people in the study several days after the vaccine.
Side point, this leaking of spike protein into the blood might also explain a possible mechanism for how the vaccine is causing blood disorders like clots, brain bleeds and women's bleeding issues. Like most side effects, it's not something that happens to everyone, just some people as in the study.
But what's most concerning about all this, imo, is that until the research found spike proteins in the blood, that was claimed to be impossible.
Bottom line, people shedding spike hasn't been studied extensively and ruled out as impossible. |
How would a spike protein cause a virus?
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amother
Freesia
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Thu, Jun 10 2021, 11:17 pm
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amother
Jade
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Thu, Jun 10 2021, 11:17 pm
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When doing a risk benefit analysis with unknown factors, you have to make a guess. You can't put off the decision because not making a decision is also making a decision.
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amother
Ballota
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Thu, Jun 10 2021, 11:20 pm
| amother [ Midnight ] wrote: | | Do you ever stick q-tips in your ear? |
I can predict all the bad things that can happen with a q-tip. I’m aware of the possible risks. And things I can do to reduce those risks.
I know nothing about the vaccine. Or it’s risks.
Did anyone last week know it would put so many healthy boys in the hospital.
Was that risk worth it?
(And I’m not anti the vaccine just willing to admit I don’t know the risks involved)
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amother
Orchid
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Thu, Jun 10 2021, 11:29 pm
I spent 4.5 hrs watching this, and I believe everyone here should to. Extremely eye opening and entertaining as well. It is an in depth presentation on Covid, it's origin, treatments, the vaccine etc. I promise you if you watch it you will never look at someone declining the shot in a negative way again.
https://www.flemingmethod.com/.....-2021
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