Parents: scientist guide to vax for kids

amother

Mon, Jun 21 2021, 12:03 am

A canadian Associate Professor of Viral Immunology wrote this report to educate parents about the covid vaccine. link on the homepage here - https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/

direct link to pdf
https://www.canadiancovidcarea.....e.pdf

This is called "doing your research" not just asking your family doctor!

amother

Daylily

Mon, Jun 21 2021, 11:25 pm

Thanks for sharing a very well written, nuanced report by a respected virologist.

If you want to vax your kids, fine, but understand what we don't yet know about safety. This lays it out very well.

IrenaFr

Tue, Jun 22 2021, 4:53 pm

Ivermectin for kids - very dangerous!
Many research papers about ivermectin and sperm quality, lower testosterone, liver dysfunctions , tunnel vision , etc . Just google , lots .
From one of them : “Serious neurological adverse events have been reported from large scale community-based ivermectin treatment campaigns against Onchocerciasis volvulus in Africa.”
Please be careful and research everything before taking or giving to kids ! I think those doctors who promote ivermectin as a prevention instead of vaccination don’t care at all about health, only promoting their own agendas .

smss

Tue, Jun 22 2021, 4:56 pm

Dr. Bridle? Nope. This guy is trying to manufacture his own covid vaccine, that's why he's out to discredit all the ones we currently have. Not what you'd call an unbiased person...

IrenaFr

Tue, Jun 22 2021, 5:03 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

I started to read - many lies about spike proteins , it doesn’t work that way, vaccine spikes are modified especially so they will NOT bind .

amother

Babypink

Tue, Jun 22 2021, 5:20 pm

IrenaFr wrote:

You have sources for ivermectin complications in adults?

IrenaFr

Tue, Jun 22 2021, 7:52 pm

amother [ Babypink ] wrote:

You have sources for ivermectin complications in adults?

For instance effect on male sperm
However, a recent report showed that 85% of all male patients treated in a particular centre with ivermectin in the recent past who went to the laboratory for routine tests were discovered to have developed various forms, grades and degrees of sperm dysfunctions including, low sperm counts, poor sperm morphologies (two heads, Tiny heads Double tails absence of tail’s, Albino sperm calls), azoospermia and poor sperm motility [6]. Several studies done on animals also showed similar findings

https://www.scholarsresearchli.....s.pdf

Liver and cardiac :

Discussion: Since the introduction of ivermectin for the treatment of scabies, reports of adverse events are rare although this drug can cause cardiac dysfunction and liver disease in other indications. In our cases, the causal relationship with ivermectin is probable and care must be taken, particularly in the elderly, the population in which this drug is probably most widely prescribed.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17072195/

Serious neurological adverse events have been reported from large scale community-based ivermectin treatment campaigns against Onchocerciasis volvulus in Africa. The mechanism of these events has been debated in the literature, largely focusing on the role of concomitant infection with Loa loa versus the presence of mdr-1 gene variants in humans allowing ivermectin penetration into the central nervous system. A case series of serious neurological adverse events occurring with the use of ivermectin outside of the onchocerciasis indication has been identified in VigiBase, an international database of suspected adverse drug reactions.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p.....9173/

On animals there are a lot of studies
Ivermectin reduces motor coordination, serum testosterone, and central neurotransmitter levels but does not affect s-xual motivation in male rats

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29055807/

In some breeds of dogs such as collies, which are homozygotes for a nonsense mutation in ABCB1, and in Abcb1-knockout mice, ivermectin induces neurologic disorders that can be fatal.2,3 Few cases of neurologic disorders after ivermectin treatment have been reported in humans, and data are lacking on such a deleterious mutation in the human gene ABCB1.4
We report the case of a 13-year-old boy admitted to the pediatric intensive care unit for impaired consciousness. He had received a single oral dose of ivermectin (0.23 mg per kilogram of body weight) to prevent scabies infection 2 hours 30 minutes before the onset of impaired consciousness. His condition worsened 6 hours after he received ivermectin, with persistent neurologic signs, including coma, ataxia, pyramidal signs, and binocular diplopia, as well as abdominal pain and vomiting. He was monitored for 48 hours; during this period, he had a fluctuating Glasgow score and normal results on paraclinical tests. He fully recovered after 48 hours (see the Supplementary Data 1 section in the Supplementary Appendix, available with the full text of this letter at NEJM.org).
Figure 1.

Two Predicted Truncated Proteins Generated by Nonsense Mutations of Human ABCB1.
Ivermectin intoxication was suspected, since encephalopathy and coma are well-known side effects of ivermectin treatment in animals and the usual causes of coma had been ruled out.

The seriousness of the intoxication in the child implies that caution is warranted regarding medical prescriptions of ivermectin and other ABCB1 substrates

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/.....17344

It’s just all over the internet, so many reports about people and animals.

amother

Coffee

Tue, Jun 22 2021, 7:55 pm

Well the WHO is not recommending the vaccine in children at this time due to the risk of vaccine being greater than the risk of covid to them. That is sound science.

IrenaFr

Tue, Jun 22 2021, 7:59 pm

I think that vaccine for the small children should be researched a LOT more and the dosage should be changed for sure . Teenagers are different story, they can get seriously sick from covid .

amother

Babypink

Tue, Jun 22 2021, 8:10 pm

IrenaFr wrote:

I think that vaccine for the small children should be researched a LOT more and the dosage should be changed for sure . Teenagers are different story, they can get seriously sick from covid .

Teenagers very very rarely get seriously sick from COVID. How many teenagers do you know who were hospitalized with covid?

amother

Maple

Tue, Jun 22 2021, 8:25 pm

IrenaFr wrote:

I think that vaccine for the small children should be researched a LOT more and the dosage should be changed for sure . Teenagers are different story, they can get seriously sick from covid .

Teenagers are the ones getting heart issues from the vaccines.

IrenaFr

Tue, Jun 22 2021, 9:14 pm

amother [ Maple ] wrote:

Teenagers are the ones getting heart issues from the vaccines.

Yes, after the second dose . But 15% teenagers get same issues from covid itself according to one study .
So for teenagers it should be one dose only , I think in Israel were discussions about it , too bad they didn’t decided this .

IrenaFr

Tue, Jun 22 2021, 9:18 pm

amother [ Babypink ] wrote:

Teenagers very very rarely get seriously sick from COVID. How many teenagers do you know who were hospitalized with covid?

On this forum people were telling about loss of smell in 11 years old . Some doctors think it’s a sign of some brain damage. In one research they found reduction of gray matter in the brain probably correlated with this symptom Sad

People get serious long term complications from covid without being hospitalized too Sad

amother

Daylily

Tue, Jun 22 2021, 9:22 pm

smss wrote:

Dr. Bridle? Nope. This guy is trying to manufacture his own covid vaccine, that's why he's out to discredit all the ones we currently have. Not what you'd call an unbiased person...

Huh?? This actually sounds conspiracy theorist. Source?

Dr. Bridle is a viral immunologist. He's certainly an expert, this is literally what he spends his life researching. He stuck his neck out 2 weeks ago to share his honest concerns about the pathogenicity of the spike protein that the mRNA vaccines tell our bodies to produce.

He postulated that the spike proteins leaking into the blood and getting absorbed by other organs is what is causing the vaccine injuries being reported. It would explain everything from clots to heart inflammation.

Since then, for sharing his expert scientific opinion, he's faced death threats, his family has faced death threats, he's been harassed, his reputation has been dragged through the mud.

But despite all that, the University of Guelph, a university funded by the Canadian government, has assured him they have his back and his job remains secure.

amother

Daylily

Tue, Jun 22 2021, 9:23 pm

IrenaFr wrote:

People get serious long term complications from covid without being hospitalized too Sad

Things like this are anecdotal hearsay that feed the fear, further justifying lockdowns, masks and vaccines. But people who report similar injuries from the vaccines are dismissed.

amother

Daylily

Tue, Jun 22 2021, 9:25 pm

IrenaFr wrote:

I started to read - many lies about spike proteins , it doesn’t work that way, vaccine spikes are modified especially so they will NOT bind .

Every single claim he makes is backed by research that he cites. He even indicates whether or not the particular study has yet been peer reviewed.

IrenaFr

Tue, Jun 22 2021, 9:29 pm

amother [ Daylily ] wrote:

We have already study about spike protein , it’s not supporting his ideas .
https://academic.oup.com/cid/a.....79075
Also about binding of the spikes - patent in American vaccines should prevent this .
https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceut.....8/i38

amother

Maple

Tue, Jun 22 2021, 9:32 pm

amother [ Daylily ] wrote:

Things like this are anecdotal hearsay that feed the fear, further justifying lockdowns, masks and vaccines. But people who report similar injuries from the vaccines are dismissed.

Well said. Covid symptoms are loudly reported but when people try to publicize or report vaccine adverse reactions they are dismissed and silenced.

IrenaFr

Tue, Jun 22 2021, 9:43 pm

amother [ Daylily ] wrote:

Every single claim he makes is backed by research that he cites. He even indicates whether or not the particular study has yet been peer reviewed.

I found his lyings in two important places
1. Vaccine spikes cannot bind , covid spikes - yes , and there are tons of them when person is sick with covid .
2. He lies about Japanese study - this study was about lipids , not proteins , totally different “animal” in the body . Yes, lipids can travel everywhere , proteins - no , they will be attacked and destroyed by the immune system, this is how vaccine actually works !
You can listen to the videos of drBeen , he is explaining all the science behind those studies and claims . https://youtube.com/c/USMLEOnline

He is not for vaccination for everyone , but he says the anti vax people should use real science and not some speculations and theories that don’t have any basis in how our bodies actually work .

IrenaFr

Tue, Jun 22 2021, 9:46 pm

amother [ Maple ] wrote:

Well said. Covid symptoms are loudly reported but when people try to publicize or report vaccine adverse reactions they are dismissed and silenced.

Those vaccines have lots of adverse reactions, it’s true . But covid has much much more.
And ivermectin also toxic for everyday use .