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cbsp




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Jun 24 2021, 9:40 am
youngishbear wrote:
But the Nile River didn't split.

Poetic license?


Oh true.

Reference to the red sea?
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amother
Mistyrose


 

Post Thu, Jun 24 2021, 10:01 am
amother [ Pansy ] wrote:
Same here. My kids sometimes say shut up 😲 they know it's not nice though. We never use the word blimey. Didn't hear it much growing up. It's like an olden day 'swear' word. I mean it's ok but reminds me of low lives a bit...


Just remembered that the phrase is "cor blimey" which means "god blind me". Pretty awful, ain't it!
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amother
Mistyrose


 

Post Thu, Jun 24 2021, 10:04 am
amother [ Pansy ] wrote:
I recently saw an advert for someone looking for a tea time girl to help them. So the word is still used, but it's definitely more of an old fashioned/older people thing.



I think that refers to the time from after school to supper time.
And I did eat bread butter and cucumber sandwiches for tea. Can still smell the tea leaves brewing in the tea pot!
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amother
Molasses


 

Post Thu, Jun 24 2021, 11:20 am
amother [ Mistyrose ] wrote:
Anyone else agree me with me that we called dessert "afters"?


Yes to afters!
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amother
Molasses


 

Post Thu, Jun 24 2021, 11:24 am
amother [ Daylily ] wrote:
Teatime around late afternoon on the dot: a trolley was wheeled into the room where the family was seated around the table. On the trolley was small china cups and saucers, a matching china jug filled with tea n water, a smaller china jug of milk, and sugar. And serviettes.
Remember tea - an English cuppa tea is with milk. I still drink it. Delicious. Next to the tea one could eat a scone or biscuits.
Mealtime was very proper: everyone sat up straight without elbows on the tables, no slouching, no slurping, and everyone ate with a knife, fork and spoon at all meals. I'm still so happy that table manners was ingrained in me.

The evening meal was a cooked meal called supper.
I still call it supper.


I can't claim to have been served a fancy tea, but still to this day (25 years out of the country!)j,
I cannot end my meal without neatly placing my knife and fork next to each other in the center of the plate.
Can't stand seeing cutlery strewn across a plate - it looks so uncivilized!
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amother
OP


 

Post Thu, Jun 24 2021, 1:34 pm
From today:

Green beans- string beans
Candy floss- cotton candy
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amother
Thistle


 

Post Thu, Jun 24 2021, 7:45 pm
amother [ Whitewash ] wrote:
Tea was definitely a thing in old fashioned England, but it was never an evening meal.


My grandmother in Australia always called supper tea (probably still does but I dont live near her anymore to hear her calling to sit down)
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youngishbear




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Jun 24 2021, 7:49 pm
cbsp wrote:
Oh true.

Reference to the red sea?


It is probably a combined reference to the miracles of the bloody river and the splitting of the sea.
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amother
Whitewash


 

Post Thu, Jun 24 2021, 8:01 pm
amother [ Mistyrose ] wrote:
in UK we called aluminum foil, silver foil


We say tin foil!

And yes, afters for dessert!
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amother
Steelblue


 

Post Thu, Jun 24 2021, 9:38 pm
amother [ Steelblue ] wrote:
Back to my Australian family, I was surprised when I realized a major reason for the difference in pronunciation is because some of the vowels make different sounds.
US- "o"- says "ah" and "u" says "uh"
Australia- "o" says "uh" and "u" says "ah"

So, bus is pronounced "bahss"
Boss- "buhss"

Umbrella- "ambrella"

Lot- "lutt"
Not- "nutt"

Etc.

Mommy is pronounced "mahmmy" but spelled "Mummy".

Is it the same way in British English?

Brits, can you chime in?
Are the vowel sounds in British English like Australian English?
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amother
Viola


 

Post Thu, Jun 24 2021, 10:07 pm
amother [ Steelblue ] wrote:
Brits, can you chime in?
Are the vowel sounds in British English like Australian English?


The vowel sounds in British english vary from American English. And are still not identical with Australian.

Even before getting to Hebrew english , It is even more confusing that within England itself english vowels are pronounced differently based on region.
Bath in London kamatz
Bath in north pasach

But this is also true within the US to a slightly less degree. Coffee/ forest , east coast west coast and midwest all pronounced differently

So yes. When I do phonics with my children I have to be very conscious of using American dialect.

Kriya with my kids is challenging. forget it.

Kamatz as a Brit is O olive vs US ? Cant even think.
Pasach u under vs US olive
Shva uh ( as in herb ) vs ? In?

It doesn’t even work to explain this way without you hearing it.
But yes. My friend was told not to do kriya homework with her children. Specifically with her daughter who was struggling with reading. . Too confusing. My kids. I just listened and didn’t help too much.
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amother
Molasses


 

Post Thu, Jun 24 2021, 10:12 pm
Speaking of vowels.
I was just telling my kids how what they call nekudos we called vowels.
And where they say "mem sofi", we would call it "final mem".

Anyone else?
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amother
Steelblue


 

Post Thu, Jun 24 2021, 10:43 pm
amother [ Viola ] wrote:
The vowel sounds in British english vary from American English. And are still not identical with Australian.

Even before getting to Hebrew english , It is even more confusing that within England itself english vowels are pronounced differently based on region.
Bath in London kamatz
Bath in north pasach

But this is also true within the US to a slightly less degree. Coffee/ forest , east coast west coast and midwest all pronounced differently

So yes. When I do phonics with my children I have to be very conscious of using American dialect.

Kriya with my kids is challenging. forget it.

Kamatz as a Brit is O olive vs US ? Cant even think.
Pasach u under vs US olive
Shva uh ( as in herb ) vs ? In?

It doesn’t even work to explain this way without you hearing it.
But yes. My friend was told not to do kriya homework with her children. Specifically with her daughter who was struggling with reading. . Too confusing. My kids. I just listened and didn’t help too much.

Sorry, I don't understand your post Scratching Head

Can you just explain?
What is the short "o" sound in British English?
What is the short "u" sound in British English?

How do you pronounce "Mummy"?
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amother
Viola


 

Post Thu, Jun 24 2021, 10:52 pm
amother [ Steelblue ] wrote:
Sorry, I don't understand your post Scratching Head

Can you just explain?
What is the short "o" sound in British English?
What is the short "u" sound in British English?

How do you pronounce "Mummy"?


Hard for me to say bc its β€œhot” with a komatz.
But even komatz we day different

Go to google β€œ hot” pronounciation. And check the difference between British pronounciation and American.

And for β€˜u’ try Mum or bug or hut. All those are pasach .
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amother
Steelblue


 

Post Thu, Jun 24 2021, 10:58 pm
amother [ Viola ] wrote:


And for β€˜u’ try Mum or bug or hut. All those are pasach .

Ok. Seems like you're using Hebrew punctuation and I'm using English.

Seems to me that the British "u" is like our "o"- "aah" (pasach)
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amother
Viola


 

Post Thu, Jun 24 2021, 11:42 pm
amother [ Steelblue ] wrote:
Ok. Seems like you're using Hebrew punctuation and I'm using English.

Seems to me that the British "u" is like our "o"- "aah" (pasach)


Yes
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amother
Pansy


 

Post Fri, Jun 25 2021, 2:38 am
amother [ Molasses ] wrote:
Speaking of vowels.
I was just telling my kids how what they call nekudos we called vowels.
And where they say "mem sofi", we would call it "final mem".

Anyone else?


Yes, we say ender mem
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s1




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Jun 25 2021, 9:17 am
With regards to vowel sounds there is a big difference within different parts of the uk
In the north we say bath, south is barth.
Manchester is Mummy (with a strong u sound) , London is mummy with a softer U , Newcastle area/north east would say mammy (or β€œme mam”)
Hard to explain in words but if you google it you can hear the difference
Another one my kids think is funny is in Manchester we say five, in London it’s more like foive.
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Rosemarie




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Jun 27 2021, 11:11 am
Chickensoupprof wrote:
The British are really generous with the word 'gorgeous' like 'Oh she is GORGEOUS' Americans are only using that in my experience as ''pretty'' or handsome'' while British use 'gorgeous' as ''she is everything'' like when they are all over some one. Next thread I will give a little Dutch lesson ok? =)

Yes!! As an American asking for shidduch information about an English girl, everyone was raving about how "gorgeous" she was! And we were really not asking about her beauty, I mean that's a nice bonus, but certainly not the first thing we ask about in a shidduch! Until we figured out that they all meant she has gorgeous kiddos, was a wonderful girl... that they were not all so shallow as to only rave about her looks! Same with brilliant, we understood that as very smart. Made for a lot of confusion, that's for sure!
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Amelia Bedelia




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Jun 27 2021, 11:29 am
Rosemarie wrote:
Yes!! As an American asking for shidduch information about an English girl, everyone was raving about how "gorgeous" she was! And we were really not asking about her beauty, I mean that's a nice bonus, but certainly not the first thing we ask about in a shidduch! Until we figured out that they all meant she has gorgeous kiddos, was a wonderful girl... that they were not all so shallow as to only rave about her looks! Same with brilliant, we understood that as very smart. Made for a lot of confusion, that's for sure!

So did the shidduch happen?
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