Beer Sheva | Imamother

shabbatiscoming

Sun, Aug 14 2022, 5:48 am

Kiwi13 wrote:

I think I still don't know where "home" will be. It's a big stressor for me.

Kiwi, youve only been here a few weeks. Why not settle down where you are now and see if its a good fit for your family? School is starting in a few weeks. It will be hard to register kids in a new location (not impossible but may be difficult). It will be hard to keep on moving.
This is how it is when one moves countries Smile

There are people who buy right away, but not usually. One needs to see how it is for a while. If you take this out of your equation, let this not be a thought in your mind right now, maybe it wouldnt feel so stressful. Its hard to move countries AND be thinking about moving again and to buy a house.

chanchy123

Sun, Aug 14 2022, 7:28 am

Alternative wrote:

There is a big difference between needing to commute to Jerusalem everyday and needing to be within a two hour drive.

In any case, if your dh will need to be in Jerusalem daily, then your best bet is probably to buy an investment property in a cheaper city like Beer Sheva and rent for now in Jerusalem. Beer Sheva prices are bound to go up.

If you can be in a two hour vicinity, you have more options, although your budget is very limiting. I'm not so familiar with the area, but the urban cities there are more expensive (maaleh adumim for example).
There are some yeshuvim south of the Dead Sea which are supposedly very very cheap, but they are too far to get to Jerusalem often (maybe a 2 or 2.5 hour drive). And there is an acceptance committee, and I think they are either secular or mixed. But I hear that buying a plot of land there is around 250,000, which means with your budget you could build a basic home with a yard. But I wouldn't advise a new oleh to live in such an isolated place.
(Unfortunately one can't buy a place there as an investment property, or everyone would).

Google shows me there is a dati leumi yeshuv in the northern part of the Dead Sea, which would make it an hour drive to Jerusalem. I have no idea if they have plots for sale, and again I wouldn't advise a new oleh family to move straight to a small isolated yeshuv, but this is their facebook page if it interests you. I assume they also have an acceptance committe.
https://www.facebook.com/ovnat.yeshuv

Look into Maaleh Adumim (small city mixed population large DL and torani community with many Anglos) and Mitzpeh Yericho small-medium DL yishuv- I think we have amothers from both places here.
Also check out Pisgat Zev which is a cheaper neighborhood in JLM completely on the other side from Hadasaah Ein Karem but has access to the light rail.

Kiwi13

Sun, Aug 14 2022, 7:59 am

My cousin recommended I look into:

Psagot

Maale Michmash

Pisgat Ze'ev (probably outskirts, more affordable)

Any info on these?

Yes I'm aware I just got here, and trust me I don't like the thought of moving again, but owning property, particularly if it's a property we will live in, is a huge sense of stability for me. And God, do I need stability... I want the purchase over with ASAP. I hear it takes a few months to close on anything, more, obviously, if it's a new build. We're staying in our current place for a year regardless, even if we ultimately purchase somewhere else. KY has this weird thing about not building anything new for some reason. Sounds like many people have been upset about that for many years already.

Alternative

Sun, Aug 14 2022, 8:35 am

Kiwi13 wrote:

My cousin recommended I look into:

Psagot

Maale Michmash

Pisgat Ze'ev (probably outskirts, more affordable)

Any info on these?

I don't have any insider info on these places. But Pisgat Ze'ev seems to have nothing in your price range on yad2.
Maale Michmash has only one place listed on yad2, and it costs 2M for a small cottage on a very small plot of land. Nothing else.
Psagot has only one place advertised on yad2, so again, not a lot of supply there (yes there may be houses not listed on yad2, but yad2 does show you approximately what's available). It's only 1.2M, but it's too small for you - only 2 bedrooms.

In contrast, in Beer Sheva there are lots of apartments under 1.4M. https://www.yad2.co.il/realest.....00000

BadTichelDay

Sun, Aug 14 2022, 8:39 am

sequoia wrote:

I could see you in Ginot Shomron.

Kiwi could get a nice place for her budget in many yishuvim in the Shomron. But they are all somewhat out of comfortable commuting range to Jerusalem, at least without a car. From where I live, it is closer to Jerusalem than from Ginot Shomron. But it still takes by car 45 minutes to Tzomet Hizme at the entrance to Jerusalem if the road is totally empty (like 05:00 in the morning). Otherwise, it can be 1.5 hours and by bus it is similar or even longer. And one still has to add to that getting around inside Jerusalem.
Access to diagnostics and treatments for children means driving around a lot as well from out here, our dc had to go to Kfar Saba, Hod Hasharon and Netanya for child development and pediatric psychiatrists.

Yishuvim can be nice and closely nit communities - if one gets past the acceptance commitee and fits in with the crowd. They can be a bit monomorphic, not very diverse in terms of outlook and age structure. Cities are a lot more mixed, obviously, and sometimes I miss that.

While I always like praising the yishuv life (cheap and great for raising children and gardening!), I think that for anyone who needs infrastructure and transportation and who isn't rock set in their outlook, a city might be a better fit.

Beer Sheva might be a good idea, after all.
It is better connected to Jerusalem and the Mercaz. Also, Kiwi might be able to transfer her treatments to Soroka, it is a big university affiliated hospital. I'm sure they can do everything Hadassa does.

Alternative

Sun, Aug 14 2022, 8:41 am

sequoia wrote:

I could see you in Ginot Shomron.

Google says it's about an hour and forty minutes to Jerusalem from Karnei Shomron (is that the same as Ginot Shomron?).
Maybe they have their own places to advertise for sale, but on yad2 there is only one place for sale - but it's in kiwi's upper price range:

https://www.yad2.co.il/realest.....00000

There are pictures there.

etky

Sun, Aug 14 2022, 8:56 am

Elfrida wrote:

In the south you are relatively vulnerable to any rockets fired from Gaza. Kippat Barzel does give us very good protection, but it isn't 100%, and there are going to be times when you need to stay in or close to the miklat.

Totally true and anyone considering Be'er Sheva has to know this and take it into account.
I wouldn't say that Be'er Sheva is a 'front line' city in this respect though, in the way that Ashdod and Ashkelon are.
When Be'er Sheva is targeted it's usually in the context of a major conflagration and then Tel Aviv and Rishon are fair game too.
Still, I do think that if one does move to Be'er Sheva it's worthwhile to seek out a place that has a mamad or a decent alternative that is not the stairwell (as in many older buildings). It could mean a big difference in the quality of life and in ones' peace of mind.
Every place in this country has its security issues.
In respect to Be'er Sheva I'm much more concerned now about rising crime rates within the city and increased tensions with the surrounding Bedouin populations.

amother

Scarlet

Sun, Aug 14 2022, 9:58 am

Psagot

Maale Michmash

Pisgat Ze'ev (probably outskirts, more affordable)

I think you really need a car when you live in Psagot, and Michmash. They have buses but I have a feeling (especially if you need Jerusalem for special ed help), You need a car. Also, When alot or most families have 1 or 2 cars in those areas , you aren't going to want to not have one.

Pisgat Ze'ev has more buses. You can buy clothes, lots of shops. Food shops. They have the light rail going thru. You can start without a car, and get one later on. Much more going on than the Yishuvim. (michmash and psagot). If you can buy something in that area, that would be great.

Yishuvim has a closer feeling of caring for one another. (might feel more like a Kehilla) You become family, togetherness, Shul, Rabbi. neighborly. You'll get that in Michmash, and Psagot. (can't promise but usually).

Pisgat Ze'ev is huge. you might not see all your neighbors. You need to find a shul/and a Rabbi, and there might not be a welcoming commitee. Huge place. Really depend on what you want/need.

Rappel

Sun, Aug 14 2022, 12:05 pm

Kiwi13 wrote:

Can Soroka really do everything Hadassah can?

They're a Level A hospital, so they're fully stocked, and a university hospital. They're the main hospital for the whole Southern region.

One for one, I don't have any information about how their doctors/departments match up, but they're supposed to have the same capability.

chanchy123

Sun, Aug 14 2022, 3:15 pm

sequoia wrote:

I could see you in Ginot Shomron.

Ginot Shomron is only a bit more than an hour to JLM when there is no traffic, but that rarely happens - it suffers from a huge traffic issue on route 55 and then you’ll hit traffic at the entrance to JLM.
It’s doable if you have a car, although not convenient, but pretty crazy by public transport, which won’t take you anywhere near Haddassah (but then you do have the Merkaz hospitals available to you, which are mostly excellent).
Housing prices have gone way up recently, not sure you’d find anything in your budget.
Schools- you would be on the very right of the religious spectrum in the yishuv, not sure if the schools would suit your religious needs and I am doubly unsure about special Ed - your kids would need to be bussed where (a bussing would be provided).
Community wise - it’s a large enough town that it has many local facilities (I have relatives who live there
without north spouses driving and they make do with walking and public transportation). It also does not have an acceptance committee anyone can move there and it is not completely religious (although there is a religious neighborhood). People are generally very accepting and there is a strong sense of community.
It is not an Anglo bubble but there are many Anglos living there, (new olim, veteran olim, and second generation olim who are part of the Anglo community/culture).
Also very multi generational, there are people of all ages, it’s not just young couples or empty nesters - you have a thriving community for all stages of life.

amother

Red

Sun, Aug 14 2022, 3:19 pm

Kiwi13 wrote:

We are already in Israel and looking to purchase ASAP but getting less and less particular. Price is a huge factor. I've heard wonderful things about Beer Sheva. Please tell me more, specially about:

Housing

There are newer apartments and there are older buildings. There are private homes. Prices have gone up but they are still significantly lower than the center of the country. Not sure exactly what you want to know on this one.

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Schooling (and special Ed)

I don't know too much but I know that there are good schools. Special ed specifically, I can't answer.

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Job market

Very good if you are in hi-tech, teaching, a medical field, or many other fields. There is a train and it is a reasonable commute to Tel Aviv. The Negev is full of opportunities, in general, so this is one issue I wouldn't worry too much about. I don't know what your husband's field is though. I know there are positions for in-house writers.

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Medical care for complex cases

Really depends what complex means and what kupa you are in. B'gadol, Soroka (the hospital) functions as Clalit outpatient clinics. Clalit has poor service in general but they have a monopoly so many people use them anyways. They purposely put the other kupot at a disadvantage. Depending on which specialists you need, you may have an easier or a harder time. If you can PM me which specialists you need and which kupa you are in (you PMed me last week multiple times) then I can tell you more.

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Need for a car

You will be totally fine without a car.

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Average salary needed per month for a family of 5.

Thanks!

Depends largely on housing and if you would need medical care not in the sal. I would guess 12-14k would be fine and allow for a nice amount of savings as well, but that is provided your rent is no more than 4k.

amother

Scarlet

Tue, Aug 30 2022, 9:16 am

The woman in charge now of "Anglo klitah" for the Iriyah, through Kivunim, is Chani Goodblatt.

Chani tells me that I should share with you (and whoever is interested/ needs to know):
that 052-5712686 is the correct number to reach her for work-related things.
She says you should feel free to reach out to her by writing her on WhatsApp at that number at any time, and she will answer when she's at the office.
Or feel free to email her at chani.g@kivunim7.co.il.