Does anyone know if this vax info is true?

amother

Lightcoral

Wed, Dec 07 2022, 11:11 pm

And they’re trained to listen to the cdc
Which I would’ve as well prior to the last few years of eye openers
The backlash mandates and censorship was huge pressure to conform
Huge red flag
Another incentive to pick our doctors wisely
Our doctors said if we had high antibodies natural immunity to Covid proven blood tests then don’t take the vax
Who knew that was radical…

amother

DarkCyan

Wed, Dec 07 2022, 11:20 pm

amother DarkMagenta wrote:

This explains it very well: https://www.muhealth.org/our-s.....-seem

Here's the problem. How do you rule out that a correlation was causative?

You study it longitudinally. That never happened with the covid vaccines, so how can causation be ruled out when there is a very clear correlation?

energybar

Wed, Dec 07 2022, 11:51 pm

posting a video. trying to upload..

☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️Disease skyrockets in vaccinated children compared to unvaccinated children

We studied every single baby born to my doctors office over a 10 year period. The results were staggering

Dr.Paul Thomas;
We stratified the children according to how many vaccines they’d received.
The data was clear:-
The more vaccines a child received the worse their health; chronic illness, asthma, ADHD, neurological issues, allergies etc etc
The unvaccinated children did not get sick.

This data is so powerful that within 5 days of this being published online they took my medical license away as I was a threat to public health

Because we insist on informed consent we had a growing number of parents refusing to vaccinate their children

amother

IndianRed

Thu, Dec 08 2022, 12:04 am

amother Dustypink wrote:

Ummm if the number of deaths reported to vaers after the covid Vax is more than then all deaths reported to vaers in many years from all other vaccines combined, is that not a cause for concern? Of course it's not a definite that it's related, but it's a huge red flag and should be investigated further, not casually dismissed.

Did you compare the numbers against the number of vaccines given in the year? Vaccines are given for a segment of the population in a given year. When you give vaccines to almost the entire population in one year, of course the numbers will increase that year.

Additionally, the VAERS is an open source populated by the public. If someone dies from a drug overdose and the family wants to blame it on the vaccine, they can log a record in VAERS. If someone gets shot and the the family wants to blame it on the vaccine, they can log a report as well. Also, considering the large anti-vax response to COVID, it feeds right into the increase of reports. The CDC now has the job of running each and every report and investigate. (They follow up on each and every significant event.) Once their investigation is complete, they clean up the data. (And no, they don't fix the data.)

We have a large population suffering from the Dunning Kruger effect. When a person has a lack of knowledge in a certain area, they overestimate their competence and knowledge in the field. They read a few stories and a handful of research papers and think they know better than most. The problem is that they don't even know what they don't know. They lack critical knowledge and key points to be able to do a proper analysis.

There's also critical thinking skills in play. That's a crucial element that's needed as well.

amother

Oak

Thu, Dec 08 2022, 12:07 am

amother IndianRed wrote:

We have a large population suffering from the Dunning Kruger effect. When a person has a lack of knowledge in a certain area, they overestimate their competence and knowledge in the field. They read a few stories and a handful of research papers and think they know better than most. The problem is that they don't even know what they don't know. They lack critical knowledge and key points to be able to do a proper analysis.

There's also critical thinking skills in play. That's a crucial element that's needed as well.

This is very condescending.

amother

Clear

Thu, Dec 08 2022, 12:08 am

mandr wrote:

And many being dropped. This year at his well visit my baby got a four in one shot. It wasn't around by my other kids. So less shots and less “poison” now.

The four in one shots have more poison. It’s better to get them one at a time spaced out.

amother

Lightcoral

Thu, Dec 08 2022, 12:09 am

Yes oak my thoughts exactly condescending to the point of
Arrogant
Amazing the lack of tolerance
You wanna vax for Covid do it
But the breathtaking arrogance wow and deciding for everyone else what to do
When there hasn’t even been longitudinal studies to say the least

You do know many European countries have stopped vaxxing kids/teens/young adults?

amother

IndianRed

Thu, Dec 08 2022, 12:18 am

amother Oak wrote:

This is very condescending.

That wasn't condescending. That is the truth.

The truth can be painful. We are a society in which the study of science is not encouraged, but create our own scientific versions in response to emotions and discomfort. Take a look at this thread alone - and see how much misinformation is posted here. Amother cookier expertly discounted the claims one by one, but the misinformed posters just ignore those. They don't respond and engage in an intellectual discussion about the counters to their claim. They just choose to respond to the ones that feed into their beliefs or throw out some negative words against the other posters.

amother

DarkCyan

Thu, Dec 08 2022, 12:26 am

amother IndianRed wrote:

Until covid, the flu vaccine was the most commonly given vaccine, with more than half the US population receiving it. This year's estimate is 170-180 million doses. Comparing the reports to VAERs side by side for 2020 and 2021 while accounting for the percentages of injuries to doses given, yes, there is a far higher percentage of injuries from the covid vaccines, it's not even in the same ballpark.

And even more pronounced when you look at the population most likely to receive both the covid and flu vaccines, which is the elderly.

Practically speaking, it is difficult to log a claim on VAERS. If anything, VAERS is probably under reported from that standpoint.

The purpose of VAERS is to catch signals, that is, trends and possible red flags. One would think that, given the absence of longitudinal safety studies for the covid vaccine, VAERS would be receiving more attention from the government.

You know nothing about the anonymous imamothers commenting here so there's no basis for attributing the Dunning Kruger effect.

amother

IndianRed

Thu, Dec 08 2022, 12:27 am

amother Lightcoral wrote:

Misdirection at its best. Please show me where the lack of tolerance is. Not one of my posts decided for you, or anyone else, for that matter. Not one of my posts asked you to vaxx your kids. All my posts were doing one thing - pointing out the lack of education and misinformation.

No matter what you decide, it's still best to make that decision with the proper information. Making decisions with faulty info is not the right way. So go ahead and educate yourself, and once you have the full knowledge of all elements, you're still free to make any decision you want. Becoming educated and being able to make an educated choice doesn't deprive one of that choice. All it does it make that person choose properly and appropriately.

Never mind the dangers of the misinformed trying to force their mindset upon their equally uneducated community members. Personally, I don't get how a person is willing to carry that burden on their shoulders. This is a medical decision - people's lives we're talking about. How does someone who simply reads up a bit on it, use that plus gossip and misinformation to create fearmongering and frighten people into follow their thought processes? One can still discuss concerns without all the scare tactics and fake information.

But no worries, I understand. When one doesn't have education and knowledge to support their stances, they resort to ad-hominem attacks.

amother

DarkCyan

Thu, Dec 08 2022, 12:29 am

amother IndianRed wrote:

Several have.

amother

IndianRed

Thu, Dec 08 2022, 12:34 am

amother DarkCyan wrote:

Um.... ~1 year into the vaccines, over 12 BILLION Covid vaccines have been given globally. In the US, I think the numbers are around ~600-700 million.

Practically speaking, it's very easy to log a claim on VAERS. Maybe for those who don't have the internet, it's a bit more cumbersome. But it's pretty much designed to make it easy for people to submit claims.

Do you work in the field to know that VAERS is not receiving significant attention?

True, I don't know the imamothers. However, if you work and/or are trained in a specific area, it's quite easy to spot those who display the DK effect. Picture someone who reads a few Torah concepts on the internet, and then comes to a very learned person and tries to make his faulty arguments. Pretty easy to spot those kind of people. Same applies here.

amother

IndianRed

Thu, Dec 08 2022, 12:35 am

amother DarkCyan wrote:

Several have.

Haven't seen much in response to Cookiers expert posts.

amother

Dustypink

Thu, Dec 08 2022, 12:40 am

amother IndianRed wrote:

First of all flu shot is also given to all ages. And I would guess that mostly it's the same people who get the flu shot annually got the covid shot.
Second it is not more than one year. It's more than many years combined. Don't remember how many years but a LOT.

amother

Lightcoral

Thu, Dec 08 2022, 1:07 am

Indian red it’s ok
We will listen to our drs rather than you an anon amother internet poster
Not a tough choice
You do you

amother

IndianRed

Thu, Dec 08 2022, 1:12 am

amother Lightcoral wrote:

Indian red it’s ok
We will listen to our drs rather than you an anon amother internet poster
Not a tough choice
You do you

So we're on the same page then! Listen to your doctors. Don't base your decision on propaganda and misinformation thrown around here and and in our communities.

That was my goal here. People shouldn't be falling prey to misinformation and propaganda. Medical concerns should be discussed with healthcare professionals.

amother

Dustypink

Thu, Dec 08 2022, 1:22 am

cookier wrote:

I am not interested in figuring out the math, but here: I rewrote the comments as though I was not trying to scare you into an agenda.

17,500 mcg 2-phenoxyethanol (antifreeze) wrong, antifreeze is ethylene glycol
https://freedom2question.blogspot.com/2009/09/is-there-antifreeze-in-vaccines-or-not.html?m=1
•5,700 mcg aluminum (neurotoxin) naturally-occurring metallic element, can be toxic in extreme levels. Median adult intake in North America is 24 milligrams (24,000 micrograms) daily, with resulting blood levels of approx 50mcg. Not understanding. You are comparing 5700 mcg to 50 mcg? Even if you divide that evenly in 6 years for which this amount is it's still 950. And most of it is in the first 2 years. And this is for adults not children. And it's in addition to what is absorbed from diet.
•Unknown amounts of fetal bovine serum(aborted cow blood) yeah, this isn’t an exaggeration. FBS is a component of the blood of fetal cows whose mothers are killed for meat. The blood is extracted via cardiac puncture, then clotted and centrifuged. The serum is then frozen for transport, filtered down to 1 micron, and tested before being sold.

•801.6 mcg formaldehyde (carcinogen, embalming agent) A naturally occurring organic compound, produced in the human body by multiple biologic processes, including the metabolism of several amino acids. Naturally found in the blood of humans and non-human primates at a concentration of approx 1.1-2.6 mg/L. If an infant has approx 225ml of of blood, their body has about 250 mcg of formaldehyde in their blood at any given time. The half-life of formaldehyde in adult humans is between 60-90 seconds. It is considered a known carcinogen when inhaled or absorbed through skin over long periods of time, but we don’t know at what concentration it becomes a problem, or the time frame needed.
•23,250 mcg gelatin (ground up animal carcass) but also a food? Is gelatin from food absorbed into the blood in the same format that is injected? Genuinely asking.
•500 mcg human albumin (human blood) post-2006 or so, Human Serum Albumin was replaced in most pharma uses by recombinant Human Serum Albumin (rHSA) which is an artificially-synthesized imitation and contains no human components. Obviously how exactly it’s synthesized is protected by companies, but rice protein seems to be common.

•760 mcg of monosodium L-glutamate (causes obesity & diabetes) no evidence of that claim and besides, increased salt intake is correlated with obesity, diabetes, and heart disease, and yet we inject saline into millions of people every day. They don’t get fat or diabetic or suddenly develop congestive heart failure.

•Unknown amounts of MRC-5 cells (aborted human babies) MRC-5 cells are an immortal cell line that was isolated from the lungs of a 14 wk gestational age fetus that was aborted in the UK in 1966. Any MRC-5 cells used in modern vaccines, which genetically human, have been grown and cultured in a lab. They are also filtered out of the end vaccine product. Some has been found to remain.
•Over 10 mcg neomycin (antibiotic) accurate
•Over 0.075 mcg polymyxin B (antibiotic) accurate
•Over 560 mcg polysorbate 80 (carcinogen) a food additive. NOT a carcinogen in its own right, but food-grade polysorbate 80 is susceptible to contamination with carcinogens. Lab-grade is highly purified.
•116 mcg potassium chloride (used in a lethal injection) also part of the WHO’s essential medicines list - used as an electrolyte replenisher.

•188 mcg potassium phosphate (liquid fertilizer agent) also used intravenously as an electrolyte replenisher.

•260 mcg sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) true

•70 mcg sodium borate (Borax, used for cockroach control) a naturally-occurring salt that is comprised of sodium, water, and borate ions. It is toxic to cockroaches and ants, but humans are not cockroaches or ants?

•54,100 mcg of sodium chloride (table salt)

•Unknown amounts of sodium citrate (food additive)

•Unknown amounts of sodium hydroxide (Danger! Corrosive) sodium hydroxide is used in conjunction with hydrochloride acid as a ph regulator. When combined they create a balanced reaction and produce sodium and water.

•2,800 mcg sodium phosphate (toxic to any organism) I don’t even know where the toxic claim came from? This is used as a saline laxative.

•Unknown amounts of sodium phosphate monobasic monohydrate (toxic to any organism) also on the market as a saline laxative.

•32,000 mcg sorbitol (Not to be injected) Nah. Intravenous sorbitol is well studied as an alternative to glucose for treating low blood sugar.

•0.6 mcg streptomycin (antibiotic)

•Over 40,000 mcg sucrose (cane sugar)

•35,000 mcg yeast protein (fungus) some vaccines are produced in a yeast protein substrate. This is filtered out of the final product.

•5,000 mcg urea (metabolic waste from human urine) metabolic waste produced by many biological processes. Any time a cell metabolizes nitrogen, urea is produced. Also largely produced in the liver. Pharmacological urea is industrially produced.

•Other chemical residuals

Enough for now Good night...

amother

Dustypink

Thu, Dec 08 2022, 1:25 am

amother IndianRed wrote:

Yes!

amother

DarkCyan

Thu, Dec 08 2022, 8:22 am

amother IndianRed wrote:

If the US gave 600-700 million covid shots in 2021, that averages to two per every person in the country. Which obv isn't the case. We have to be careful with what we are comparing.

If 80% of the country was given the covid vaccine, we can compare to slightly more than half the country getting the flu vaccine. Although I would expect to have more side effects in people who received more than one covid vaccine, so the comparison is not perfect.

And no, filing a complaint with VAERS is not easy.

amother

Oldlace

Thu, Dec 08 2022, 8:25 am

amother Plum wrote:

Terrible. Im glad people are waking up.
BH my daughter is not vaxxed, healthy and thriving kah.

And so are millions of kids that got vaxxed and are healthy and thriving.
I worked with an older woman that used to say “I remember kids that were effected by polio and other illnesses. If anti vaxers would see what I saw in my own eyes they wouldn’t think twice before vaccinating”.