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amother
Saddlebrown
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 Sun, Jan 29 2023, 10:02 pm
| Amarante wrote: | Eggs went up because of avian flu which caused a drastic decrease in the supply of eggs. It is the deadliest epidemic among chickens ever.
Lettuce increased in price because of drought and an insect borne virus in the Salinas Valley which grows much of the supply of lettuce. | and what happened to sheitels? War in Ukraine destroyed hair factory in Dnepropetrovsk? What crises caused sudden price increase? *They look into egg situation to find out it's not price scam,btw.
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amother
Ghostwhite
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Sun, Jan 29 2023, 10:04 pm
| amother Saddlebrown wrote: | | and what happened to sheitels? War in Ukraine destroyed hair factory in Dnepropetrovsk? What crises caused sudden price increase? *They look into egg situation to find out it's not price scam,btw. |
Maybe it’s Putin fault just like gas price
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amother
Leaf
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Sun, Jan 29 2023, 10:04 pm
| Amarante wrote: | Eggs went up because of avian flu which caused a drastic decrease in the supply of eggs. It is the deadliest epidemic among chickens ever.
Lettuce increased in price because of drought and an insect borne virus in the Salinas Valley which grows much of the supply of lettuce. |
Sure.
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amother
Lightcyan
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Sun, Jan 29 2023, 10:16 pm
| amother Cappuccino wrote: | So everyone who charges market rate for their services is greedy.
Honestly you seem extremely entitled in that you think everyone owes you their labor for the price you want to pay and anyone who raises their price is greedy and selfish.
Normal people try to get as high a salary or compensation as they can. That isn’t greed. That is just normal behavior 🤷♀️😂
A cleaning lady most definitely will not be hired if she charges more than the market will pay. |
That's a misdirection. What is the problem here is the manipulation of the market rate. This is no different than raising than the stores raising the prices right before Pesach, or charging $35 for shmurah matzah. Our options are very limited, and we have to pay up whether we can afford it or not. Often it is the case, that if we want to maintain the same level of kashrus/hechsher that we did in the past, we must pay up. The cheaper lines aren't the hechsher we are comfortable with. So the brand name hechshers raise the price, knowing full well that since people are extra scrupulous for Pesach, they'll pay up. They're purely taking advantage of the people's behaviors - and very little of it has to do with their expenses.
Same applies here. Yes, you may have a newbie SM here or there, but very often they don't have a good touch with your wig. Sometimes you'll get lucky and find a newbie that is great, but that's not usually the case. As soon as the newbie finds her niche, she doesn't raise the price in a normal fashion, she jumps right to the 'market rate'. That is usually between a 100-200% increase or more. They're taking advantage that almost all of us need them, so we're going to be forced to pay. They know that our choices are between a subpar newbie or the high-priced experienced one, so they're not concerned about losing clients. There are very few that fall between the two, so people are left with no choice.
That's the issue people are griping about. Not that there are a select few high end ones out there who ask for a mint to wash a sheitel. They're griping about that all SM transition from newbie to high-end as soon as they find their footing. They're no middle group here.
This is what is called taking advantage of people. People who raise their prices to abnormal levels, knowing full well that all of us need their services, so we will be forced to pay up or have subpar results.
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amother
Saddlebrown
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Sun, Jan 29 2023, 10:32 pm
| amother Lightcyan wrote: | That's a misdirection. What is the problem here is the manipulation of the market rate. This is no different than raising than the stores raising the prices right before Pesach, or charging $35 for shmurah matzah. Our options are very limited, and we have to pay up whether we can afford it or not. Often it is the case, that if we want to maintain the same level of kashrus/hechsher that we did in the past, we must pay up. The cheaper lines aren't the hechsher we are comfortable with. So the brand name hechshers raise the price, knowing full well that since people are extra scrupulous for Pesach, they'll pay up. They're purely taking advantage of the people's behaviors - and very little of it has to do with their expenses.
Same applies here. Yes, you may have a newbie SM here or there, but very often they don't have a good touch with your wig. Sometimes you'll get lucky and find a newbie that is great, but that's not usually the case. As soon as the newbie finds her niche, she doesn't raise the price in a normal fashion, she jumps right to the 'market rate'. That is usually between a 100-200% increase or more. They're taking advantage that almost all of us need them, so we're going to be forced to pay. They know that our choices are between a subpar newbie or the high-priced experienced one, so they're not concerned about losing clients. There are very few that fall between the two, so people are left with no choice.
That's the issue people are griping about. Not that there are a select few high end ones out there who ask for a mint to wash a sheitel. They're griping about that all SM transition from newbie to high-end as soon as they find their footing. They're no middle group here.
This is what is called taking advantage of people. People who raise their prices to abnormal levels, knowing full well that all of us need their services, so we will be forced to pay up or have subpar results. |
https://baishavaad.org/owning-the-market/
https://din.org.il/en/2019/05/.....-law/
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Ruchi
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Sun, Jan 29 2023, 10:42 pm
| amother Lightcyan wrote: | That's a misdirection. What is the problem here is the manipulation of the market rate. This is no different than raising than the stores raising the prices right before Pesach, or charging $35 for shmurah matzah. Our options are very limited, and we have to pay up whether we can afford it or not. Often it is the case, that if we want to maintain the same level of kashrus/hechsher that we did in the past, we must pay up. The cheaper lines aren't the hechsher we are comfortable with. So the brand name hechshers raise the price, knowing full well that since people are extra scrupulous for Pesach, they'll pay up. They're purely taking advantage of the people's behaviors - and very little of it has to do with their expenses.
Same applies here. Yes, you may have a newbie SM here or there, but very often they don't have a good touch with your wig. Sometimes you'll get lucky and find a newbie that is great, but that's not usually the case. As soon as the newbie finds her niche, she doesn't raise the price in a normal fashion, she jumps right to the 'market rate'. That is usually between a 100-200% increase or more. They're taking advantage that almost all of us need them, so we're going to be forced to pay. They know that our choices are between a subpar newbie or the high-priced experienced one, so they're not concerned about losing clients. There are very few that fall between the two, so people are left with no choice.
That's the issue people are griping about. Not that there are a select few high end ones out there who ask for a mint to wash a sheitel. They're griping about that all SM transition from newbie to high-end as soon as they find their footing. They're no middle group here.
This is what is called taking advantage of people. People who raise their prices to abnormal levels, knowing full well that all of us need their services, so we will be forced to pay up or have subpar results. |
Very clear and well explained. Let's call out the greed for what it is. This is not the time to be nice and mince our words.
Greedy sm's are pushing the boundaries from what's reasonable to overly outrageous.
They will have to give Din cheshbon for this. The majority of women are dependent on sm's. Not every woman has the time or abilities to service her own sheitel. The greedy sm's are exploiting this to their benefit and it is plain wrong.
There is nothing more to argue about this.
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amother
Poinsettia
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Sun, Jan 29 2023, 10:46 pm
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Ruchi
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Sun, Jan 29 2023, 11:02 pm
We need a crackdown on the sm industry to root out unscrupulous behaviour, exploitation and greed.
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amother
Leaf
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Sun, Jan 29 2023, 11:04 pm
Does nobody else find it strange that chicken prices weren't rising in proportion to egg prices? So the bird flu that killed thousands of chickens only affected egg prices and not chicken prices?
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amother
Lightcyan
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Sun, Jan 29 2023, 11:11 pm
| amother Leaf wrote: | | Does nobody else find it strange that chicken prices weren't rising in proportion to egg prices? So the bird flu that killed thousands of chickens only affected egg prices and not chicken prices? |
A chicken produces on the avg about 250 eggs per year, but can only be slaughtered once.
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camp123
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Mon, Jan 30 2023, 6:06 am
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It's supply and demand that sets the price. If the price became too high more people will become sheital machers, they'll be more competition and then the price will fall. SM aren't a charity, they are a business. Any business will charge the maximum the market allows them too. Now, if they are all talking to each other and setting the price together, that would be unfair. If not its totally reasonable, they don't owe anyone anything.
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amother
DarkGray
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Mon, Jan 30 2023, 7:14 am
| camp123 wrote: | | It's supply and demand that sets the price. If the price became too high more people will become sheital machers, they'll be more competition and then the price will fall. SM aren't a charity, they are a business. Any business will charge the maximum the market allows them too. Now, if they are all talking to each other and setting the price together, that would be unfair. If not its totally reasonable, they don't owe anyone anything. |
Good luck. Many posters on this thread are living in an alternate reality universe where the laws of supply and demand don’t apply, everyone is supposed to work altruistically (well, not everybody, just SM) and anyone charging the rate that the market prices for their service is just plain greedy. A SM is supposed to start at $30 and only raise her price by a few dollars even after her experience would command a far higher price on the market. These altruistic rules apply unless one happens to be a playgroup morah, office worker, landlord or just about any profession other than SM. For them charging the new market rate is apparently ok.
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amother
Dustypink
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Mon, Jan 30 2023, 7:47 am
We, as consumers, are all responsible for the inflated prices. We did this to ourselves so we have no right to complain when we see the results of our actions. The constant need to buy longer, prettier, newer technology, newest styles, better hair, different varieties, etc all under the guise of it’s for the mitzvah, led to the creation of a beauty and vanity industry masquerading as holiness.
It’s not the fault of the SMs. They have given us what we clamored for; they were good business women.
We need to take responsibility for what we created.
*of course there are exceptions, but as a whole, this is my view
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amother
Saddlebrown
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Mon, Jan 30 2023, 7:51 am
| amother DarkGray wrote: | | Good luck. Many posters on this thread are living in an alternate reality universe where the laws of supply and demand don’t apply, everyone is supposed to work altruistically (well, not everybody, just SM) and anyone charging the rate that the market prices for their service is just plain greedy. A SM is supposed to start at $30 and only raise her price by a few dollars even after her experience would command a far higher price on the market. These altruistic rules apply unless one happens to be a playgroup morah, office worker, landlord or just about any profession other than SM. For them charging the new market rate is apparently ok. | do you know that there are critics of free market theory, withing different aspects of it (and no throwing at me concepts as communism, please). You understand it's not a set in stone Torah laws, and we are kind of figuring out what works, as we live, as a society in general? And economy also leaves rules for ideas like "morality"? We operate in real world,not "purely for profit" spreadsheet. Do you think you are forever protected from any financial crash by believing that some theories are the only correct way of how it is and should be? Or we live in a perfect world which operates by the rules? I hope SM start paying tax and work on the books, just for the law obedient ones.)you BELIEVE in unregulated free market, good for you, I believe in listening to the Torah laws and asking a Rav. Why are my beliefs less valid than yours?if SM want this topic be discussed in,let's say, beisdin, lama lo? Maybe someone should bring it up, same way rent increases were widely discussed recently. do you think someone who wants to get the money will listen to the rav? I doubt. It's cute to defend free markets for the society that relies heavily on government assistance, hud, food stamps and where many people work off the books. No problem, charge whatever you want, but then take all the government assistance away, and be self sufficient. And will see how the system will work. You want to live in a free market welfare lalaland. Let's decide which one we take away to realize economic theories in life.
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amother
Cornsilk
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Mon, Jan 30 2023, 8:01 am
| Amarante wrote: | Eggs went up because of avian flu which caused a drastic decrease in the supply of eggs. It is the deadliest epidemic among chickens ever.
Lettuce increased in price because of drought and an insect borne virus in the Salinas Valley which grows much of the supply of lettuce. |
And just like that they went back down in price.
Did all the chickens suddenly give birth at a very large rate?
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amother
Sienna
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Mon, Jan 30 2023, 8:39 am
| amother Cornsilk wrote: | And just like that they went back down in price.
Did all the chickens suddenly give birth at a very large rate? |
The price of eggs have gone down a bit but they aren’t as cheap as they were a year ago.
Did anyone else see there was a major fire at I think hillendale farms and many chickens died? It was on Kol HaOlam.
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amother
DarkGray
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Mon, Jan 30 2023, 8:53 am
I think it’s fair to ask for some consistency and intellectual honesty here. When your current tenant moves out are you going to charge the new tenant $1250 instead of the going rate of $2000 because everyone needs a place to live and it’s not fair to charge the new market rates? When you apply for an entry-level office job are you going to tell them you will not accept more than $14 an hour because it’s unfair to take advantage of the new market rates just because they are strapped for employees? When you set your prices for next year‘s play group will you charge $300 rather than the new going rate?
If so you have every right to bash the SM for simply charging what the market will accept. If not, to quote Shakespeare, “this above all to thine own self be true.”
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amother
Ghostwhite
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Mon, Jan 30 2023, 9:34 am
I was told by a rov that if a Jewish service provider is ripping people off a Jew has no obligation to use the Jew and should seek the service from a non Jew
Maybe if we all start doing this we’ll see the overcharges start properly pricing
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amother
Ghostwhite
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Mon, Jan 30 2023, 9:39 am
| amother DarkGray wrote: | | Good luck. Many posters on this thread are living in an alternate reality universe where the laws of supply and demand don’t apply, everyone is supposed to work altruistically (well, not everybody, just SM) and anyone charging the rate that the market prices for their service is just plain greedy. A SM is supposed to start at $30 and only raise her price by a few dollars even after her experience would command a far higher price on the market. These altruistic rules apply unless one happens to be a playgroup morah, office worker, landlord or just about any profession other than SM. For them charging the new market rate is apparently ok. |
Again, by saying “start at $30 and ONLY RAISE BY A FEW DOLLARS” shlugs up everything you say.
No one said that. We are talking about people tripling and quadrupling their price just because they can, not because they’re so unbelievably talented certainly more than those charging less.
You can keep ignoring all the points raised here, like the fact that the extreme over chargers are responsible for many other sm’s raising their own prices to match and so the entire forum community eventually is getting ripped off.
There’s no excuse, no explanation to make this ok
It’s geneiva, it’s taking advantage of other Jewish women, and I guarantee it’s not ok up in heaven
You could spin and spin this and you still have no argument with your untrue claims that people complain because of “a few dollars” in price jump.
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amother
Ghostwhite
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Mon, Jan 30 2023, 9:42 am
| amother DarkGray wrote: | I think it’s fair to ask for some consistency and intellectual honesty here. When your current tenant moves out are you going to charge the new tenant $1250 instead of the going rate of $2000 because everyone needs a place to live and it’s not fair to charge the new market rates? When you apply for an entry-level office job are you going to tell them you will not accept more than $14 an hour because it’s unfair to take advantage of the new market rates just because they are strapped for employees? When you set your prices for next year‘s play group will you charge $300 rather than the new going rate?
If so you have every right to bash the SM for simply charging what the market will accept. If not, to quote Shakespeare, “this above all to thine own self be true.” |
Another bad example that’s not comparable
It costs much more money now to pay for utilities and upkeep of an apt you’re renting out.
What’s costing more for the sm’s to justify them tripling and quadrupling the price? Scissors? Shampoo?
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