Important Kaporos Question for Moms of Twins

amother

Mon, Aug 28 2006, 11:29 am

What did you do if you were exoecting twins by kaporos? (one bird for you and one for wach gender? 2 for each gender due to twins?, etc.?)

If you knew what genders they are can you use gender-specific birds, or does the Torah acknowledge genders prior to birth?

If you did something specific to twins, how did you ensure that it didn't become public that you are expecting twins when you were trying to keep it a secret?

Any other advice/suggestions/tips, etc.?

JMto2

Mon, Aug 28 2006, 11:39 am

Each rav holds differently when I was pregnant with One I had to swing three chickens two female one for myself and one for the baby if it was a girl and one boy. but then I was told by someone who was also preg then that she only did two I would see what your rav holds.

morningstar

Mon, Aug 28 2006, 11:47 am

Seems then that your rav believes that every pregnant woman uses three chickens- one for herself and one of each gender.
Otherwise your rav would have asked you to swing five... ( one yourself, two more females in case of a pair of girl twins, two more males in case of a pair of boy twins).
In most cases I have heard of-- pregnant women use 2 chickens, male to cover all possibile male children, female to cover the woman and all possible female children.
( In fact, where there is a shortage, people of the same gender often "share" a chicken.)

stem

Mon, Aug 28 2006, 12:35 pm

Just use money instead! LOL

We use 18 cents per peson in our family for the kaparos, and then give a nice check to tzedaka in addition.

ny21

Mon, Aug 28 2006, 12:49 pm

This question is to hard for me!
I haveno idea what the answer would be?
their are to many sceniorios?
I would use tzedaka money instead of chickens?
I would do all the different scinirious of what the twins sexes could be .

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MMEC123

Mon, Aug 28 2006, 3:20 pm

Why do we have to do kaparos for a baby that hasn't been born yet and therefore hasn't done anything that requires a kapara?

chocolate moose

Mon, Aug 28 2006, 3:49 pm

I've never actually seen it, but I know the expectant mother would use lechatchila three hens and two roosters.

My friend who just had her triplets is lucky she missed out on this! She'd need three roosters and four hens,r ight?

Mama Bear

Mon, Aug 28 2006, 4:11 pm

Sara, snce our friend knew she was having a girl and two boys, two roosters and two hens would have sufficed probably.

chocolate moose

Mon, Aug 28 2006, 4:24 pm

Mindy, she knew?

She let me tease her the whole time about having three girls !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BrachaVHatzlocha

Mon, Aug 28 2006, 8:54 pm

many people "share" -- example all women will use one and all men another.
so I assume a pregnant women with twins can just use one hen and one rooster.

klotzkashe

Mon, Aug 28 2006, 9:18 pm

I was 8 weeks preg at kaporos nad I used a crate with my chickens in it. mos tpple thought I was doing it bc iw as grossed out by it. So noone woudl know if there were 1, 3 5 or even 7 in there!!!

ny21

Mon, Aug 28 2006, 9:29 pm

MAC 123 RAises a good point!
why do you have to do this for innocent future babys
who have not sinned ?

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mali

Tue, Aug 29 2006, 3:21 am

Mindy wrote:

Sara, snce our friend knew she was having a girl and two boys, two roosters and two hens would have sufficed probably.

I think you're supposed to use both a rooster and a hen for an unborn child, even if you know what it is. There's something kabbalistic about it.

mali

Tue, Aug 29 2006, 3:22 am

SaraG wrote:

My friend who just had her triplets is lucky she missed out on this! She'd need three roosters and four hens,r ight?

That would have made quite a scene!

TzenaRena

Tue, Aug 29 2006, 5:20 am

amother wrote:

How about if your husband brings home the chickens, so you can "shlug" privately at home? We did that sometimes when I was expecting or when I had a newborn.

ny21

Tue, Aug 29 2006, 4:25 pm

I just learned that it is called shlugging kapparas
and not schlukking kapparos- does anyone know
'where this word is from schlugging? is it hebrew ? yiddiish?