Something positive about chassidish women

abmom

Wed, May 23 2012, 2:42 am

http://t.co/DtL6Xjx

grace413

Wed, May 23 2012, 2:48 am

Nice, although I think the mikvah/spa comparison is a bit overdone.

mizle10

Wed, May 23 2012, 2:59 am

A little too dramatic for me. And why is it necessary to have another article on our s-x lives? Can't we just try to stay out if the spotlight?

chani8

Wed, May 23 2012, 6:41 am

Did she think it was necessary to be that rude and crude? Twisted Evil

"Stick our fingers in our private parts twice a day for seven days"!!!! shock

Why did she have to say that??? It's not true!!!! I only do that for three days!!! Rolling Laughter

Unbelievable. Rolling Eyes

chani8

Wed, May 23 2012, 6:43 am

OMGosh did you read the comments below the article...

People thought that tzitzis were those "sheets with the holes in them"

Rolling Laughter

mammala120

Wed, May 23 2012, 10:01 am

she totaly reminds me of opposite of debra feldman. she based all the jewish women according to her own lifestyle which is not nice and not true for all.

for example in regards to relations,,,,,no where in the torah states that we must be dressed or naked during relations. and totaly naked is forbiten. for example men not allowed to look at female private. so when you say totaly naked that includes staring at private part. oh oh oh!!!!!!

she excagerated too much at the opposite end of debra feldman.

I am happy that she she is happy with her love and marriage life and feels free, well apart from religion I do feel like in prison in my own home, so the article is speaking for her self only not for all of us.,

MamaBear

Wed, May 23 2012, 10:14 am

I'm no prude but I thought her article was crude. Hey I rhymed.

emhabanim

Wed, May 23 2012, 10:29 am

I am so very sorry and sad that you feel like a prisioner in your own home. My heart is breaking for you. And, unfortunately I do believe that you are probably not alone in feeling this way.

I worry that my children's and grandchildren's generations will have more and more feeling the way you do.... especially as many of them enter the work force, are put in positions where they must support a growing family and thus have jobs that put them in board rooms and leadership positions... only to go home and feel suffocated by how the frum society they live in views or treats its women.

Let's be honest, this article makes it all seem so easy and it just isn't. For some in the frum world, wearing pants and going to a disco is a no brainer. They can easily do it and they still keep Shabbos, TH, Kosher, etc. But, for many other women in the frum world wearing pants and going to a disco is just too difficult to even try. It would mean leaving everything they know behind, being excommunicated from everyone and everything they have, and it would leave many women without financial support and unable to support themselves adequately. Not all frum women have the education and skills necessary to bring home a decent paycheck. Plus, what about the kids???? How many frum women could try wearing pants, going to a disco and not think her marriage would end and she would be fighting for custody with the entire frum world she knows bashing her as unstable???? Not all sects of yiddishkeit view and treat women the same. Not all parts of the frum world give a woman the same access to the world.

Many young girls make life decisions when they are 18, 19 ,20... and they do so with whatever they were taught in school... only to wake up 10 years later with a more mature and self developed world view. Not all of them can easily adapt. Some want to become more to the right and have husbands who won't... and the opposite... some want to become less yeshivish or chassidish and it just isn't an option.

I am happy the author is happy. Happy I am BH happy. But, that doesn't mean I don't acknowledge the many who aren't happy and who have no easy way to fix their situation. I cry for them and wish we as a society could admit that we have a problem ... it isn't going to go away. We will be forced to deal with it one day... just look at Susan B Anthony and American society or Sara Schnerier and girls learning... we as a community are still evolving in this issue and it can't remain in the shadows forever.

glamourmom

Wed, May 23 2012, 10:46 am

am I the only one that thought this article was pretty awesome. think of the type of pple that read it. see the comments below. obviously, she did a pretty good job putting it on paper. we, who live this may feel she overdid it. but based on the comments she did a good job on the pple that dont live this life.

mammala120

Wed, May 23 2012, 10:56 am

glamourmom wrote:

you mean she did a pritty good job at embarassing jewish women stating that you should not judge a book by its covers since we all dress covered up , oh no don't look at that, behind doors we are still horny, s*x freaks. not true for all.

mammala120

Wed, May 23 2012, 10:58 am

chani8 wrote:

Did she think it was necessary to be that rude and crude? :twisted:

"Stick our fingers in our private parts twice a day for seven days"!!!! :shock: :shock:

Why did she have to say that??? It's not true!!!! I only do that for three days!!! :rolling laughter

Unbelievable. :roll:

how embarassing let people thinik that we masterbate. come on. I hope early teenagers don't get hold of this article.

Nicole

Wed, May 23 2012, 1:34 pm

chani8 wrote:

OMGosh did you read the comments below the article...

People thought that tzitzis were those "sheets with the holes in them"

Rolling Laughter

I couldn't beleive that either! But who knows? Maybe that's how the rumor started. Someone saw it on the clothes line and....

MamaBear

Wed, May 23 2012, 1:49 pm

She's a BT, I think? So she's going out of her way, in the mixed company that is the internet, to prove that she's still "normal." I do it too to a certain extent when with my non frum family and friends but I don't do it in a crass way and I'm not printing it for millions to read.

spring13

Wed, May 23 2012, 2:13 pm

It was nice, for once, to read something in the public sphere that was written by a Jewish woman who feels positively about her life. After all the Deborah Feldman stuff, and everything I see/hear about how oppressed we all are, I don't really have a problem with this article. Did she make some sweeping generalizations? Yes. But so did DF, and people have been taking her experiences as universal gospel. I'd rather that the overstatements be positive rather than negative, in general.

1Life2Live

Wed, May 23 2012, 2:16 pm

I didn't mind the article, but I don't like that she calls herself chassidish. To me Lubavitch (although a sect of Chassidus) is NOT AT ALL like the other sects. It's completely different and I don't know why she thinks she can compare the two. If she grew up Satmer she would probably not have gone to the same college and would not be working in the field she's in. A little out of touch with chassidus if you ask me.

Mini Cookie

Wed, May 23 2012, 2:19 pm

grace413 wrote:

Nice, although I think the mikvah/spa comparison is a bit overdone.

depends which mikvah you visit. Many Lubavitch mikvaos ARE spa-like

Mini Cookie

Wed, May 23 2012, 2:20 pm

1Life2Live wrote:

Yea, but her points are still true whether she is or isn't chasidish. So what difference does it make?

1Life2Live

Wed, May 23 2012, 2:26 pm

Mollys Mama wrote:

1Life2Live wrote:

Yea, but her points are still true whether she is or isn't chasidish. So what difference does it make?

She wrote the article representing Chassidish women and I guess I don't think they were all true for women growing up in non-Lubavitch Chassidish homes.

Mini Cookie

Wed, May 23 2012, 2:31 pm

1Life2Live wrote:

Mollys Mama wrote:

1Life2Live wrote:

Yea, but her points are still true whether she is or isn't chasidish. So what difference does it make?

She wrote the article representing Chassidish women and I guess I don't think they were all true for women growing up in non-Lubavitch Chassidish homes.

For example?

ra_mom

Wed, May 23 2012, 7:04 pm

1Life2Live wrote:

Do you know what Chassidus means?
Lubavitch is true Chassidus.
Maybe you're mixing up the externals of your Chassidus and can't see how Lubavitch can be Chassidish.