Hillary supporters -what do you make of this?

amother

Peach

Fri, Oct 14 2016, 11:02 am

from the Wall Street Journal

Quote:

The Press Buries Hillary Clinton’s Sins
by Kimberley Strassel

If average voters turned on the TV for five minutes this week, chances are they know that Donald Trump made lewd remarks a decade ago and now stands accused of groping women.

But even if average voters had the TV on 24/7, they still probably haven’t heard the news about Hillary Clinton: That the nation now has proof of pretty much everything she has been accused of.

It comes from hacked emails dumped by WikiLeaks, documents released under the Freedom of Information Act, and accounts from FBI insiders. The media has almost uniformly ignored the flurry of bombshells, preferring to devote its front pages to the Trump story. So let’s review what amounts to a devastating case against a Clinton presidency.

Start with a June 2015 email to Clinton staffers from Erika Rottenberg, the former general counsel of LinkedIn. Ms. Rottenberg wrote that none of the attorneys in her circle of friends “can understand how it was viewed as ok/secure/appropriate to use a private server for secure documents AND why further Hillary took it upon herself to review them and delete documents.” She added: “It smacks of acting above the law and it smacks of the type of thing I’ve either gotten discovery sanctions for, fired people for, etc.”

A few months later, in a September 2015 email, a Clinton confidante fretted that Mrs. Clinton was too bullheaded to acknowledge she’d done wrong. “Everyone wants her to apologize,” wrote Neera Tanden, president of the liberal Center for American Progress. “And she should. Apologies are like her Achilles’ heel.”

Clinton staffers debated how to evade a congressional subpoena of Mrs. Clinton’s emails—three weeks before a technician deleted them. The campaign later employed a focus group to see if it could fool Americans into thinking the email scandal was part of the Benghazi investigation (they are separate) and lay it all off as a Republican plot.

A senior FBI official involved with the Clinton investigation told Fox News this week that the “vast majority” of career agents and prosecutors working the case “felt she should be prosecuted” and that giving her a pass was “a top-down decision.”

The Obama administration—the federal government, supported by tax dollars—was working as an extension of the Clinton campaign. The State Department coordinated with her staff in responding to the email scandal, and the Justice Department kept her team informed about developments in the court case.

Worse, Mrs. Clinton’s State Department, as documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show, took special care of donors to the Clinton Foundation. In a series of 2010 emails, a senior aide to Mrs. Clinton asked a foundation official to let her know which groups offering assistance with the Haitian earthquake relief were “FOB” (Friends of Bill) or “WJC VIPs” (William Jefferson Clinton VIPs). Those who made the cut appear to have been teed up for contracts. Those who weren’t? Routed to a standard government website.

The leaks show that the foundation was indeed the nexus of influence and money. The head of the Clinton Health Access Initiative, Ira Magaziner, suggested in a 2011 email that Bill Clinton call Sheikh Mohammed of Saudi Arabia to thank him for offering the use of a plane. In response, a top Clinton Foundation official wrote: “Unless Sheikh Mo has sent us a $6 million check, this sounds crazy to do.”

The entire progressive apparatus—the Clinton campaign and boosters at the Center for American Progress—appears to view voters as stupid and tiresome, segregated into groups that must either be cajoled into support or demeaned into silence. We read that Republicans are attracted to Catholicism’s “severely backwards gender relations” and only join the faith to “sound sophisticated”; that Democratic leaders such as Bill Richardson are “needy Latinos”; that Bernie Sanders supporters are “self-righteous”; that the only people who watch Miss America “are from the confederacy”; and that New York Mayor Bill de Blasio is “a terrorist.”

The leaks also show that the press is in Mrs. Clinton’s pocket. Donna Brazile, a former Clinton staffer and a TV pundit, sent the exact wording of a coming CNN town hall question to the campaign in advance of the event. Other media allowed the Clinton camp to veto which quotes they used from interviews, worked to maximize her press events and offered campaign advice.

Mrs. Clinton has been exposed to have no core, to be someone who constantly changes her position to maximize political gain. Leaked speeches prove that she has two positions (public and private) on banks; two positions on the wealthy; two positions on borders; two positions on energy. Her team had endless discussions about what positions she should adopt to appease “the Red Army”—I.e. “the base of the Democratic Party.”

Voters might not know any of this, because while both presidential candidates have plenty to answer for, the press has focused solely on taking out Mr. Trump. And the press is doing a diligent job of it.

sarahleah88

Fri, Oct 14 2016, 11:10 am

Hillary has her flaws, that's for sure. Under "normal" circumstances the allegations abou e would be front and center. However...things are not "normal." We have a choice between Hillary and, in my opinion, a seriously disturbed sociopath whose actions could easily place our very lives in jeopardy. Trump is not fit to lead us. So sad, because if this election was between any of the other Republicans who ran for the nomination, we would have choices. We would not be compromising.

yogabird

Fri, Oct 14 2016, 12:50 pm

Hillary is a corrupt, lying politician-snake. As is every politician. Trump is not a stable human being. The end.

glamourmom

Fri, Oct 14 2016, 12:59 pm

sarahleah88 wrote:

So sad, because if this election was between any of the other Republicans who ran for the nomination, we would have choices. We would not be compromising.

#bringtedcruzback #bringmarcorubioback #bringemallback #letsstartover

amother

Crimson

Fri, Oct 14 2016, 2:26 pm

Of course the left wing media doesn't report on this. The days of fair and balanced reporting are long gone. Everyone can just be left to think that Hillary is just a basket of cherries, and not the lying, corrupt, power-hungry person that she is.

Fox

Fri, Oct 14 2016, 2:39 pm

amother wrote:

Of course the left wing media doesn't report on this. The days of fair and balanced reporting are long gone.

What I'm finding hilarious is that, for years, the MSM claimed that their so-called "bias" was just right-wing paranoia. Whoops! Guess not!

I was also shocked -- though I shouldn't have been -- by the religious intolerance. Do observant religious people of any faith think that they'll be more respected than Roman Catholics. Can't wait until the Democrats are talking about our need for a "Jewish Spring"!

amother

Crimson

Sat, Oct 15 2016, 7:33 pm

Interesting how the hard core Hillary supporters on this site have not commented on this thread. I guess similar to the left wing media -just ignore it and it will eventually go away. Make believe it never happened.

lilac3

Sun, Oct 16 2016, 1:39 pm

I think Trump is an egomaniac, has loose morals, and a filthy mouth, and certainly doesn't handle criticism well, probably from being raised with a silver spoon in his mouth, etc, but he has done pretty well with his children and his business. A lot better than other rich people, like the Hiltons and Kardashians, for example. And yes, being reviled by the media for months will get to you, as it has certainly gotten to him. But I really believe that he has America's best interests at heart. He wants better for America. Hillary wants more for herself. End of story. Hence, open borders, illegal immigrants, etc. She wants to "make history", consequences be darned. Didn't the Arab Spring teach her anything??

WhatFor

Sun, Oct 16 2016, 2:00 pm

amother wrote:

Not sure why you're amother, but in any case, I see our election as a choice between Hillary and Putin. You can say what you want about Hillary, but Putin is a far greater danger to ourselves and the world. I vote Hillary.

amother

Powderblue

Sun, Oct 16 2016, 2:00 pm

It's simple. Clinton supporters just don't care. She could be videotaped shooting up heroine, drowning puppies in a bathtub and molesting children and they would still vote for her. People are so blinded by their hate of Trump that truth just doesn't matter at all.

This woman is pure evil and if you think you'll be getting a better deal with her than with Trump, think again.

MagentaYenta

Sun, Oct 16 2016, 2:06 pm

amother wrote:

Hyperbole is a useless tool when one is posting as an ima.

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WhatFor

Sun, Oct 16 2016, 2:06 pm

amother wrote:

Said the Trump supporter, unironically.

SixOfWands

Sun, Oct 16 2016, 2:38 pm

What would be the purpose of countering the lies and misinterpretations of the right wing yet again?

Would it matter to you?

Yes, Clinton used a private server. Yes, it showed poor judgment. Yes, there were two -- TWO -- possibly, maybe, potentially confidential transmissions. Yes, the whole thing has been investigated by the Justice Department, and discussed by the media and by the Republicans ad nauseum.

No, there is no evidence of corruption vis a vis the Clinton Foundation. No, contacts were not granted as a result of donations. Yes, the Foundation is rated A by all ratings agencies of which I am aware.

marina

Sun, Oct 16 2016, 3:53 pm

Hey, I know! Let's talk about Ronald Reagan, one of the most revered and respected presidents in recent times.

Check out his scandals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.....ndals

Tell me what you think. Especially interested in your thoughts about:

** US selling weapons to Iran and illegally funding counter-revolutionary groups.

** His administration rigging housing grants to be awarded to donors to Reagan's campaign.

** his elimination of tax provisions that resulted in the bankruptcy of 747 banks, requiring 160 billion taxpayer bailout.

** when members of his administration were convicted of taking bribes for looking the other way in in defense contracts.

Any of these concern anyone? Especially since all of the above were admissions or convictions? Whereas all the claims about Hillary and Clinton Cash are just unproven allegations?

What's the story, also, with unproven allegations? Should we just believe them if they sound plausible? Should I, for example, believe that Trump raped a 13 year old girl because he is now accused of that? Even though there's been no trial? Should I believe that Hillary acted maliciously and corruptly, even though there's been no trial? Let's agree to have one standard, yes?

marina

Sun, Oct 16 2016, 3:57 pm

amother wrote:

I dk... maybe it has to do with sukkos or that your post wasn't really at the top of the page much yet. Maybe my comments will help you in that regard. You're welcome Smile

marina

Sun, Oct 16 2016, 4:15 pm

amother wrote:

I feel the same way about Trump supporters, esp when I watch this little clip and think that this is the guy many Americans want to elect as leader of the free world:

I mean is it too much to ask people to withdraw their support from a candidate who thinks being a s-xual predator is funny and/or macho? I guess it is.

amother

Denim

Sun, Oct 16 2016, 4:59 pm

Marina,
I am curious,

Did you support Bill Clinton for pres with the mountain of evidence availible at the time over the type of person he was?

Did you support Bill Clinton for re-election?

marina

Sun, Oct 16 2016, 5:05 pm

amother wrote:

Marina,
I am curious,

Did you support Bill Clinton for pres with the mountain of evidence availible at the time over the type of person he was?

Did you support Bill Clinton for re-election?

The evidence became apparent after his re election in 1996. No American ever voted for him again, for any elected position.

It would have never entered my mind to vote for him after the Lewinsky scandal.

amother

Denim

Sun, Oct 16 2016, 5:17 pm

First off, the evidence was readily apparent back from his days as Governor of Arkansas, it was an open secret.
Secondly, how would you respond to the allegations by the women whom he victimized that it was Hilary Clinton who went after them in attempt at forcing them to remain silent?

Pteranodon

Wed, Oct 19 2016, 4:24 am

Allegations?! The only one "alleging" that Hilary went after her is Juanita Broaddrick, who may have been raped by Bill Clinton but she did not come forward for nearly two decades, who "felt threatened" by Hilary shaking her hand and thanking her for help with her husband Bill's campaign. It does not qualify as a threat, much less forcing her silence. Bill was a slimeball, no doubt, and it's possible that as his victim she felt intimidated by Bill's wife, but it's extremely farfetched to suppose that Hilary knew about the rape and chose a public venue to threaten Juanita Broaddrick by thanking her, in a one-sentence exchange.

Monica Lewinsky was never threatened or blackmailed or silenced by Hilary. Hilary name-called her before either Monica or Bill admitted to the affair.

I remember being a teenager and being fascinated/horrified about our President Clinton's behavior and the circus around it. To people claiming today that the media has a double standard because it let Bill Clinton off while taking Trump to task, I say, phooooey. Boy, was there a non-stop media circus around Bill Clinton, and Hilary wanted to bury herself in shame. It is beyond hypocritical to claim to respect and protect women who were Bill Clinton's victims yet bash and shame his biggest victim, his wife, on no reasonable basis whatsoever besides Hilary-hate.

Yes, she's ambitious and power-hungry and maybe she stayed with him throughout his infidelities for those unappetizing reasons, but that still doesn't mean she is in the least bit guilty of or responsible for his sins. The same goes to Melania Trump, who is also a victim of her husband's boorishness and vulgarity - why bash her for staying with him?