To vaccinate or not to vaccinate

Hashem_Yaazor

Sun, Jan 15 2017, 8:08 pm

2 month visit usually includes Hep B, Hib, Pc, Diptheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio, Rotavirus
Same with 4 month
And 6 month the only difference is usually not rotavirus if given at 2 and 4 months
If second dose of rotavirus was delayed and it's the 6 month visit, it would be all that plus flu very likely which is 9.
Not so far fetched.

Maybe My Family

Sun, Jan 15 2017, 8:09 pm

amother wrote:

Hello, 2-3 vaccines that you're child gets are combined vaccines! MMR is 3 vaccines, so is DTap. Plus there are additional combinations including hep a and hep b, hib, etc.

ETA: According to the cdc schedule, https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/s......html at the 2 month visit, a baby would be getting 8 vaccines.

The mom said the dr was combining the 15 and 18 month vaccines (he was 16 months old at time ) so she wouldn't have to come back.... So it was more than the standard 2-3 "combined vaccines " as you call it

imalady

Sun, Jan 15 2017, 8:12 pm

So confused, what do you think OP is fishing for?

Although admittedly, her story does sound a little odd. Your kid doesn't speak for a month and the doctor says your 9 month old is angry. That's really weird. It happens again and he shrugs it off, and you are so not freaked out that you are researching whether or not you should vaccinate.

Something isn't adding up here. OP whats the whole story here?

Maybe

Sun, Jan 15 2017, 8:13 pm

cutemom1 wrote:

Who gives a child 9 vaccine at once?!?! Even if you can prove that this child's autism was caused by the vaccines.... I would first write this up to malpractice on the Drs part it would not in any way deter me from giving my child the 2-3 vaccines that are normally given per visit...:

You can't sue Md or pharma for vax injury.

They have ZERO liabilty

cnc

Sun, Jan 15 2017, 8:15 pm

imalady wrote:

This. I mean now that I'm thinking about it I would have walked out on the spot. So so strange.

ange

Sun, Jan 15 2017, 8:34 pm

cutemom1 wrote:

I wasn't actually suggesting that the dr be sued..... Just was trying to say that this scenario is not the norm and it won't convince me that vaccines are risky .....

The thing is that there are thousands of other stories like this where there was no catch up involved, just the regular 2-3 combo you mentioned that you don't see as risky. Yet it happened to them nevertheless. Everyone's story differs but the results are horribly similar.

I hope this discussion has given the op some thought but, agreed, something is off here.

amother

Lemon

Mon, Jan 16 2017, 3:26 am

I work in vaccine development and I'm a vaccinologist. Take your child to a pediatric immunologist. Speak it over with a qualified doctor.

The best part about understanding vaccines is that we don't need to be crazy anti- or pro-. We know how the vaccines and the schedule works. If the child has diarrhea, push off the rota a few weeks. If there is a high fever, slow down at the next appt. If there is a bad year of flu, that takes priority. When you know a system and live in a 1st world country, you can use it.

Your concern does not make you pro- or anti-vaccine. It makes you a parent. Don't get into the pro- and anti- debate. Its a waste of time with false information on both sides.

Yes, vaccines work. But, only in the hands of qualified physicians.

IMHO, maybe the catch up schedule your doctor came up with is a bit intense for the child. Maybe its just running your child down too much with the strong activation of the immune system. Or maybe, this is the dc's personality to start, stop and re-start things (I have one who is like that). You need a different doctor and I think that is the only problem here.

amother

Saddlebrown

Mon, Jan 16 2017, 6:00 am

imalady wrote:

She wants pro-vaccine posters to post acceptable links proving that vaccines do have side effects.

OP, I don't vaccinate my children either, but I don't get what you're trying to do here. I understand it's hard being the "crazy" one, but if you're confident in your decision, you don't need to prove a point.

BTW, one of the main reasons I don't vaccinate is that in NYS, where I live, it is nearly impossible to pick and choose which vaccines I want to give. It's either all or none and the child must be all caught up by the time they enter school. I don't like the schedule. I think it's too much too intense too many vaccines for diseases that aren't harmful enough. So this is my choice.

amother

Papaya

Mon, Jan 16 2017, 2:04 pm

What I was looking for were answers that I can work off of without becoming a vaccine expert.
I have learned that I need to:
1- look into a certain gene, through blood work
2- see a pediatric immunologist
3- don't tell anyone irl if I want to get my kids into school (if we decide not to vaccinate)
4- switch pediatricians

Yes, I am being unfair to ask people to post under their screen names. I appreciate those who have. I may be unfair, but being a coward should not prevent me from trying to help my child. I do know that this is a good place to start.

Thank you for your help,
OP

amother

Silver

Mon, Jan 16 2017, 2:33 pm

Hashem_Yaazor wrote:

It doesn't help to not tell people IRL if you want to get into school. You have to submit medical records, including history of vaccination, and the school themselves will see you are "not compliant".
Unless you don't live in a major Jewish metropolis....then you may have more of a chance.

I had posted that so as not to lose friends. Schools will find out. They wont advertise if they accept religious exemptions but several do. They can't advertise it either because then the others will get upset.

Miri7

Mon, Jan 16 2017, 3:01 pm

We also fell a bit behind with my youngest and my pediatrician, whom I LOVE, looked at how we would catch up and prioritized what to do first, which to do together, and when. I recommend going to a top-notch pediatrician, perhaps one who serves on the editorial board of the Academy of Pediatrics, listed here:

http://www.aappublications.org.....board

These folks are involved in adopting and approving the vaccine schedule. My pediatrician is on this board and knows a LOT about vaccines - more than the average pediatrician.

Or go to a good pediatric immunologist. My priority would be to figure out how to get my child vaccinated while avoiding adverse reactions. The right pediatrician will listen to you and take your concerns seriously, take his/her time, and try to figure out what's going on with your kid. Even if the strange behavior is ultimately not related to the vaccinations, you want to get to the bottom of what is going on. Your current pediatrician sounds dismissive.

My current pediatrician has told me that a parent's instinct that something is "off" is generally good grounds to investigate what's going on, so he doesn't ignore parental concerns.

I think that your child's behavior warrants seeking out special pediatric care.

(I am very pro-vaccine, for the record.)

mommy3b2c

Mon, Jan 16 2017, 3:06 pm

Miri7 wrote:

My pediatricians policy is that "mom knows best." If the mom is worried, then he takes her seriously. He would never dismiss any concerns. He once sent me for blood work for my son. I asked him if it was standard practice and he said no. I asked him why he's sending me and he said that the fact that I'm concerned warrants extra care.
Basically, I also feel concerned that ops dr is so dismissive of her concerns. A good pediatrician would not act like that. I am very pro vaccines.

amother

Blue

Tue, Jan 17 2017, 4:19 am

amother wrote:

I'm sorry, but screen names? How does having random people here post random thoughts and opinions under their already fake screen names help your child more than if they post as amother?

It seems to me that people are being helpful by posting suggestions of paths they would take and specialists they would consult with.

Why is comparing their previous opinions and attitudes to their current advice helpful to your child and the situation now?

FranticFrummie

Tue, Jan 17 2017, 5:04 am

OP, if you are not posting under your SN, then it's a bit unfair to ask others to do the same.

That said, I'm posting under my SN, and if you PM me, I'll even give you my legal name.

I am pro vax, but I insisted that each vaccine be compounded separately, delayed, and spaced apart. I wanted to be able to watch each and every reaction. That is how I found out that DD was sensitive to the pertussis vaccine, and we were able to put off giving her boosters until kindergarten. I had to keep her out of all play groups, preschool, and day cares, because pertussis was epidemic in my area (and I am highly prone to chest infections like bronchitis and pneumonia).

We don't do flu shots, and I'm not giving 13yo DD the HPV vaccine, because I think there isn't enough data to justify the potential risks yet. I believe in medicine, but I take everything with caution and as much information as I can gather. Building a healthy immune system with good food, exercise, sunlight, and supplements as needed, are all part of the picture.

If your doctor will not agree to separate, spaced, and delayed vaccines, then you need to find a new one ASAP, and never look back!

Just be aware that with an unvaxxed or partially vaxxed kid, you need to be more alert for illnesses, and more thoughtful of others who may have compromised immunity. A mild disease in your child could be life threatening to someone who has had an organ transplant or chemotherapy. If you decide not to vax, I will totally support you in this case, but all I'm asking for is some consideration regarding the impact that choice could make on society at large.

I wish you lots of clarity and peace, and your child to live a healthy and happy life to 120. Hug

amother

Wine

Tue, Jan 17 2017, 8:52 am

amother wrote:

Depends on what state. CA no longer accepts religious or personal belief exemptions. Only medical.
This is for both public and private schools so if you don't vaccinate you must homeschool. They check if you switch schools/start at a school, 7th grade and I think kindergarten or 1st.