Home
Log in / Sign Up
    Private Messages   Advanced Search   Rules   New User Guide   FAQ   Advertise   Contact Us  
Forum -> Interesting Discussions
Im yirtzeh hashem or be'ezras hashem



Post new topic   Reply to topic View latest: 24h 48h 72h

amother
Pumpkin


 

Post Tue, Jan 24 2017, 9:31 am
When do you use each? What's the difference? Thanks!
Back to top

zaq




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Jan 24 2017, 10:11 am
I use IYH because that's the term my family used. However, someone once "corrected" me and said "BEH" about something. her take was "IYH" is for something that's already planned and set up, while BEH is for something you hope will happen but is not yet in the works. So, for example, if your dd has a date set up for next month, you would say "IYH when you go out with Schmendrick, wear your new shoes" but "BEH when you get married I'll wear my new shoes." Or was it the reverse?

Quite frankly, I think it makes zero difference and is just a matter of personal preference, like saying A"H vs. Z"L . I grew up saying A"H and never heard Z"L till adulthood. Nowadays I almost never hear A"H.
Back to top

queenert




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Jan 24 2017, 11:45 am
Interesting!
I like beH better because I like the idea of sprinkling in the fact that I need Hashem's help into conversation...hopefully it'll get into my psyche.
imH seems a little more snobby...like, I've got it all planned and if Hashem decides it's okay with him...
Just my take...
Back to top

amother
Brunette


 

Post Tue, Jan 24 2017, 1:24 pm
A high school teacher once told my class that IYH is applicable when you are referring to something that you want to do - IyH I will go swimming tonight. While BEZH is applicable when you are referring to a mitzvah you'd like to perform - BezH I will be visiting grandma tonight.
Back to top

anony




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Jan 24 2017, 1:29 pm
queenert wrote:
Interesting!
I like beH better because I like the idea of sprinkling in the fact that I need Hashem's help into conversation...hopefully it'll get into my psyche.
imH seems a little more snobby...like, I've got it all planned and if Hashem decides it's okay with him...
Just my take...


My thoughts exactly! I feel like IYH is saying "if Hashem decides He WANTS to help" whereas bezras Hashem acknowledges that I NEED his help.

Also, I try not to overuse the phrase. I recognize that Hashem is involved in every part of our life, but I only use bezras Hashem over something that I recognize I have very little control over (for example, bezras Hashem I will attend that wedding 10months from now, but anything can happen in between!!)
Back to top

amother
Blush


 

Post Tue, Jan 24 2017, 1:50 pm
IYH. If Hashem wills it (ratzon)

I think this thing will happen in the future but TBH I have no idea because it is not in my power. It will only happen IYH - if Hashem wills it

Applies to areas outside my free will (most things) (hakol byadei shamayim....)

BEH with Hashem's help (Ezra)

I want to do this (good) thing but I can't do it on my own, it will only happen BEH - with Hashem's help

Applies to areas where I have some control (spiritual matters) (....chutz myirat shamayim)
Back to top

amother
Pewter


 

Post Tue, Jan 24 2017, 2:52 pm
IYH- is like saying if Hashem wants it to happen then it will happen
But BEH is like saying it will happen - because of course Hashem wants it to happen so there is no option of it not happening
So you say BEH in terms of having a child, refua Sheilma... :arrow:
Back to top
Page 1 of 1 Recent Topics




Post new topic   Reply to topic    Forum -> Interesting Discussions

Related Topics Replies Last Post
Chasde Hashem
by amother
19 Tue, Mar 19 2024, 9:41 am View last post
I am so angry at Hashem. Why would this happen
by amother
7 Mon, Feb 26 2024, 9:35 pm View last post
Hashem cares about the little things
by amother
2 Tue, Feb 20 2024, 8:07 pm View last post
Money is decided by Hashem - a little story
by amother
4 Mon, Feb 19 2024, 3:07 am View last post
Vent, Hashem please send me some money
by amother
2 Wed, Jan 31 2024, 12:02 am View last post