POLL- s/o farting. is the word vulgar?

amother

Ruby

Sun, Oct 21 2018, 11:31 pm

According to DH if you walk into BMG you will hear the word “fart” all the time...but not in the vulgar context. It’s some kind of yeshivishe yiiddish word with an entirely different meaning that can be used when trying to make a certain point in learning.. go figure.. What

Btw I hate the word, in any context Puke

tigerwife

Mon, Oct 22 2018, 12:01 am

amother wrote:

Btw I hate the word, in any context Puke

Um.. does he mean a “vort”?
Yes, “fart” is vulgar, IMVHO. It won’t need to be replaced with asterisks anytime soon but I would never use it in a professional or formal setting. There are plenty of euphemisms to use instead.

seeker

Mon, Oct 22 2018, 12:19 am

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My theory is that "normal" people (I'm talking in the world at large, not specifically the frum community) have gotten so loose with words and phrases that really are vulgar that they use them so casually that people unfamiliar with them (such as sheltered frum types) think they are normal speech. Then they go ahead and use them in formal or dignified settings where someone familiar with the phrase would deem it inappropriate, but they think it's a normal word because they keep hearing people use it casually.

I knew there was a perfect example that escaped me and here it is: screw or screwed. I can't count how many times I have heard refined frum young people use that word to mean "mess up" and I am positive that most if not all have no idea that, let's just say that they can do better. This is happening because EVERYBODY says it. Now that everybody says it, it's still IMO unrefined, but not taboo anymore. So now if you really want to be vulgar, screwing doesn't work anymore, so now they need to say f***. Well guess what? That's still definitely rude but it's about as common as "screw" was, I want to say a decade ago but my concept of time in that sense is lousy. People who consider themselves to be dignified in general will use that word when they get upset enough. Now this is an issue, but I wasn't supposed to be going there - what I'm trying to say is that you all should really inoculate the innocent people among you that they should not use the word "screw" if they are not discussing hardware or carpentry. Also, that they should say "pass gas" and never "fart" because even if you think it's all fine, the other 66% of imamothers are going to be JUDGING you. Shame on you

Amarante

Mon, Oct 22 2018, 2:02 am

It's not a term I would use unless I was trying to be deliberately crass. As another posted upthread, I wouldn't announce my intentions to pee or poop either.

My Yiddish speaking Bubbe used the term fertsy (not sure of spelling) which I always found interesting because it is close to fart in terms of sound by with more of a FAIR rather than FAR pronunciation. I am reasonably certain she never heard the word fart and this is some form of idiomatic Yiddish from Poland. But even this word was not used in polite company and as I recall was more of a word used with the children like tush. At least it seemed like one of those childhood terms but it could also be that I never discussed bodily functions with her after she stopped taking care of me as a child :-).

amother

Olive

Mon, Oct 22 2018, 2:59 am

I said above that I dislike the word and find it vulgar. But to be fair, it is extremely old, appearing in the oldest piece of written music known to the English language.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sMCA9nYnLWo

http://www.luminarium.org/medl.....u.php

(different spelling but sounds and means the same)

amother

Hotpink

Mon, Oct 22 2018, 5:00 am

Amarante wrote:

Oh my goodness thank you. I have not heard the word "fertsy" in so so many years. You just made me think back to my childhood and my grandfather. 😀.

My kids use fart all the time and I am always correcting them.
I was horrified when my son came back from E"Y ans he said to me he has to "take a dump". I yelled at him so loud. Apparently that is how they spoke in yeshivish.
When he got engaged I had to sit him down and teach him how to talk non yeshiva talk snd how to talk to a girl not a guy.

Amarante

Mon, Oct 22 2018, 6:19 am

amother wrote:

Oh my goodness thank you. I have not heard the word "fertsy" in so so many years. You just made me think back to my childhood and my grandfather. 😀.

So it actually is a word. Sometimes with words that I never hear anymore I wonder whether they were actually Yiddish words or words that my Bubbe and Zeide made up and were just used in the family.

Now if I could only find the recipe for the blueberry shtunekes she made :-) as I've never seen a recipe that resembles it at all.

amother

Magenta

Mon, Oct 22 2018, 6:47 am

Amarante wrote:

My parents called it a fetcey.

FranticFrummie

Mon, Oct 22 2018, 9:48 am

I told DD, that the definition of "maturity", is to have the wisdom to know when you can get away with being immature. Wink

She can be an absolute princess outside of the house, so eidel and sweet. But at home? LOL!

Beans, beans, the musical fruit.
The more you eat, the more you toot.
The more you toot, the better you feel.
So eat your beans with every meal.

To fart, to fart, it's no disgrace.
It gives the body ease.
It keeps the covers warm at night.
And suffocates the fleas.

Metukah

Mon, Oct 22 2018, 10:51 am

FranticFrummie wrote:

I told DD, that the definition of "maturity", is to have the wisdom to know when you can get away with being immature. Wink

Lol

Our version is

Beans, beans, they're good for your heart,
The more you eat the more you fart,
The more you fart the better you feel,
So eat beans at every meal.

amother

Seafoam

Mon, Oct 22 2018, 11:26 am

tigerwife wrote:

Nope, fart is a word that yeshivish men might use when they argue in learning. My teenage son told me his rebbe used it while explaining the gemara to the class. Many of the boys burst out laughing. I guess they weren't mature enough. My son explained it to me but I'm not sure I get it. I think it can replace the word "specific" or "explicitly". So the rebbe might say, The gemara fart says so, meaning it's written explicitly in the gemara.

Disclaimer: My immaturity is getting the best of me and I'm laughing as I write this!

suremom

Mon, Oct 22 2018, 1:43 pm

amother wrote:

The word is פארט. Hungarian chassidish way of pronouncing is is 'furt' with short 'u' sound. But probably with yeshivish havara it will resemble fart more. The definition of it is even though.
"פארט may sound like fart. פארט, we still say it"

amother

Magenta

Mon, Oct 22 2018, 3:05 pm

suremom wrote:

I googled translated it and got party. What is the translation?

amother

Ruby

Mon, Oct 22 2018, 3:30 pm

amother wrote:

I googled translated it and got party. What is the translation?

According to DH its hard to translate but means something like “despite that fact, it is still kosher etc”, a sentence would be something like, “even though it was purchased in a non Jewish store, it’s “fart” kosher..” (admittedly does sound silly, laughing as I type Smile

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