The Anti-Vaccination Disgrace By Rabbi Aaron E. Glatt, MD

FranticFrummie

Sat, Oct 27 2018, 2:05 pm

Has anyone noticed that the vast majority of people who have something intelligent and scientific to say, post under their screen names?

It seems like the conspiracy types love to post anon.

This is NOT what amother is supposed to be used for, and against the terms of the board.

Just sayin'.

amother

Lilac

Sat, Oct 27 2018, 7:43 pm

dancingqueen wrote:

This shows a basic lack of understanding of medical education. As this dr says

“I..added up time I spent learning immunology and infectious disease in the First Two Years of medical school. Without even counting the related fields of physiology, the respiratory system, gastroenterology, histology, neurology, etc, I came up with 920 hours ofr graduate education in immunolgy, microbiology, and infectious disease – and that’s before ever hitting the wards in 3rd and 4th years.”
From https://www.google.com/amp/s/v...../amp/

And no you can’t become a medical expert through googling. A) you can’t believe everything you read on the internet b) the actual scientific journal articles are not available through a basic google search.

I said doctors don't learn much about vaccines except the schedule.
Many doctors who received that same education you quoted, and more, have reservations about vaccines.
Never said you can believe everything you read on the internet.

Ma3

Sat, Oct 27 2018, 7:49 pm

oneofakind wrote:

My nephew got the measles from the MMR. 10 days after the shot, when reactions come out, he got a very high fever, rash all over his body, went to the doctor twice that week. Doctor called it "a virus". Gee whiz. Measles is a virus and that's what it looks like. Everybody should do what they need to do to keep themselves and their children safe, take vaccines or don't take vaccines (I wouldn't want to take achrayus if somebody has a bad reaction, why would you?) and take chill pill.

You're so right. A few years ago my son wasn't feeling well and then got a rash... Now I know it was measles, but since my son was vaccinated (maybe even a few days before, don't remember), so of course the Dr said it's a virus and just dismissed my child. Just when you get it from an unvaccinated kid does the dept of health choose to make this whole crazy thing about it. They're just trying to make sure that everyone gets scared enough to listen to them.

amother

Taupe

Sat, Oct 27 2018, 8:58 pm

I'm not saying whether ppl should or should not vaccinate, but let's get the facts straight. Drs. Are NOT taught about the vaccines in medical school, just like the other poster wrote, they are just taught when and at which age each one is given, not the background of them. Google it.
Secondly, measles is extreeemely unlikely to turn into something fatal, it is usually a rash with some fever.

chelsealew

Sat, Oct 27 2018, 9:15 pm

amother wrote:

Hmmm let's go ask my father, two brothers, uncle, grandfather who actually attended four years of medical school, minimum four years of residency and two years of fellowship in an infectious disease related Sub speciality

Learning Immunology means learning about vaccines

chmom

Sat, Oct 27 2018, 9:21 pm

amother wrote:

Let me chime in here as a doctor
I have no idea where and how you got your information but it is simply NOT true
There might be no course specifically called „vaccines“ but infectious diseases, immunology, internal medicine are all subjects relevant to vaccination and are taught ad nauseam in medical school.

amother

Wine

Sat, Oct 27 2018, 9:38 pm

chmom wrote:

And what was taught in medical school about the side effects of vaccines and how they are better or worse than the "infectious disease" aka virus??

amother

Magenta

Sat, Oct 27 2018, 9:44 pm

Ma3 wrote:

Measles officially comes out 10-12 days after being exposed. Just saying
My Dr claims that if someone got the measles within the first 7 days after the shot it means that the kid was exposed before. Especially when you take it after there id's an outbreak like now. Go figure

amother

Taupe

Sat, Oct 27 2018, 10:35 pm

It's really such a personal decision (HIPAA: ppl are free to make their own medical choices) that it's very silly for some ppl to try and tell others what to do.
If vaccinators believe the vaccine works then they should not worry if in the presence of an anti vaxxer. They are protected. Its just like being in the presence of a baby who is too young to get the shot, they are both not vaccinated and noone seems to be worried to be near babies.

amother

Mustard

Sat, Oct 27 2018, 11:26 pm

Ma3 wrote:

A few years later you're suddenly diagnosing him with measles? It obviously wasn't that bad at the time.

And I don't even know what these arguments are about. It's plain knowledge that the vaccines give a tiny dose of the actual illness in order to build the immunity. But that tiny does can't do anything. Whereas the real thing can.

amother

Wine

Sat, Oct 27 2018, 11:38 pm

amother wrote:

Dr needs to say that. Like that you won't blame him.

southernbubby

Sat, Oct 27 2018, 11:44 pm

amother wrote:

And what was taught in medical school about the side effects of vaccines and how they are better or worse than the "infectious disease" aka virus??

Medical students study pharmacology. They are supposed to know something about every drug or treatment that they prescribe.

The pharmacist or health department who administers vaccines is also supposed to know something about these substances so when I am in doubt, I consult them.

One of our children had a bad reaction and I notified the CDC directly. We were told not to further vaccinate that particular child.

Ma3

Sat, Oct 27 2018, 11:48 pm

amother wrote:

I'm not diagnosing him a few years later. It was as bad as the measles is now, a simple virus with fever and happens to be a rash that made it sound 'so scary'. At that time I wasn't as knowledgeable and believed in every word my Dr. said. Fast forward to now, same story, different kid, only unvaccinated! So Dr. reports to Health Dept and the rest you all know. All people running for vaccines now could've been running then when my son was home 'with a virus'. Only Dr wouldn't say to me it's "measles", because then people would start questioning the shots.

They control what they want should be in the news. And all this hype about how deathly it is, please tell me how deathly is chicken pox. We all got it as kids, was highly contagious and had to be home, looked horrible, felt horrible... Kids body fought it and built up immunity for the future. Today's vaccinated kids don't have that immunity. No one says measles isn't contagious, but it's not cancer!

southernbubby

Sat, Oct 27 2018, 11:52 pm

Ma3 wrote:

But as has been brought out many times in the past, it is not safe in every child and at any age. Also, Americans remember a time when it wiped out entire Native American tribes and afflicted soldiers and killed many.

LittleDucky

Sun, Oct 28 2018, 2:31 am

amother wrote:

Um, that is not really what HIPAA is about. At least according to all the bazillion trainings and lectures I have been to. HIPAA is about privacy surrounding your medical history, how medical information is stored and transferred, laws about insurance or other payments done via the Internet, that every provider needs an NPI.... And also only applies if you ever billed for services over the Internet. So if you have always been a cash payment Doctor/provider, never did any financial transactions over the Internet etc then you won't have to follow HIPAA. Just FYI.

amother

Mint

Sun, Oct 28 2018, 2:37 am

So glad I live in California. Only medical exemptions accepted here EVEN AT PRIVATE SCHOOLS. They check when you start or switch schools, at Kindergarten and at 7th grade. In a few years we will have much higher numbers for vaccination rates once all kids have passed through a "checkpoint"!
Now I just wish they would crack down on those doctors who suddenly have most of their patients with medical exemptions. Unless he works in autoimmune, oncology, or transplant patients then his numbers don't add up. He is a typical pediatrician. He is lying and violating the law. Other doctors are too so the system isn't foolproof. But better than your systems on the East Coast!

Another fantastic reason to live in sunny, beautiful CA. I mean we even needed the fans on over Shabbos!

rzab

Sun, Oct 28 2018, 4:06 am

amother wrote:

In addition doctors don't learn about shots they just follow cdc. They are not taught about them at all.

He happens to be a specialist in infectious diseases...
I would think if there is any doctor that is the authority on this matter it would be rabbi glatt

amother

Pearl

Sun, Oct 28 2018, 4:19 am

amother wrote:

I have 2 children that were severely allergic to eggs. They were never prescribed an epi pen. However, within hours of eating anything even with traces of eggs they got a cold. Within a few hours later they had difficulty breathing and needed a nebulizer and steroids for at least 3-5 days. Many shots used to have eggs as one of the ingredients (some still do). After getting a reaction to a shot we stopped giving these 2 children shots. When they outgrew the egg allergy a few years later, we gave them the shots. The school at the time (during the years they were allergic) wanted to kick out my boys even though they had a letter from the doctor. Because they weren’t prescribed an epi pen and BH wouldn’t stop breathing right after the shot, it’s not considered a reaction! My doctor tried calling and they didn’t care. I sent my kids to school and said if CH”V there’s an outbreak I would obviously keep them home but these 2 kids are highly allergic. Whether the reaction is instant or within 24 hours should not make a difference. All my other kids have / are being vaccinated. A medical exemption should not be only for those who go into anaphylactic shock. A reaction can sometimes come out 24 hours later.

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OK. I am pro schools kicking out kids who aren't vaccinated, but not in this case! The rule is there to protect children like yours! I hate when sechel isn't used to enforce rules!