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amother
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Post Tue, Nov 13 2018, 2:52 pm
I am very proud of the Drs and Rabbis who got together to make this letter.
I wish they would do this where I live....
http://matzav.com/ramat-bet-sh.....nate/
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amother
Cerise


 

Post Tue, Nov 13 2018, 3:37 pm
Halacha is in the torah. Vaccines where invented centuries later. Rabbi's cant make up halachos.
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amother
Wine


 

Post Tue, Nov 13 2018, 3:49 pm
Rabbis can apply halacha to modern day situations, can't they?
I think too many measles threads are hazardous to our health. Can we stop already?
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amother
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Post Tue, Nov 13 2018, 4:24 pm
We are halachically obligated to guard our health. That is why there are differences of opinion . If vaccinate was a 613, everyone would. Just in the name if clarity. Explaining why there is debate.
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imasoftov




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Nov 14 2018, 4:52 am
amother wrote:
Halacha is in the torah.

imakaraite?
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blessedjmom




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Nov 14 2018, 4:59 am
There is no halachic obligation to vaccinate.
Using my useename. Don't pounce:)
I did see letters from both sides of the coin.
I'm a happy medium- in the middle.

But halachic obligation? No.
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camp123




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Nov 14 2018, 5:11 am
Of course halacha can be applied to currant situations. We do it all the time.
According to rabbi tatz quoting rav elyashiv. The halacha is to do what is normal. That is to do normal hishdadlus and then rely on Hashem. If you do this even if vaccines are harmful you will not be harmed anymore than if u don't vaccinate. It is a complete lack of bitachon not to vaccinate.
Also there are 613 motzvos, Not halachos.
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Ruchel




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Nov 14 2018, 6:25 am
I would say there's obligation only when it's endangering one's health or life. Say, no one healthy and not a teen/adult here does chicken pox. So it's ok. But not vaccinating against ebola, if such thing existed, and there was ebola around?
You have to see each vaccine.
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WitchKitty




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Nov 14 2018, 6:44 am
amother wrote:
We are halachically obligated to guard our health. That is why there are differences of opinion . If vaccinate was a 613, everyone would. Just in the name if clarity. Explaining why there is debate.

If vaccinating was in the 613, there would be thousands of piskei halachos about which vaccines and why and how and when and every rav would have his own shitta Sad
amother wrote:
I think too many measles threads are hazardous to our health. Can we stop already?

Yes. PLEASE. At least put in all in one thread. Or one forum. This is worse than AMAs.
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amother
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Post Wed, Nov 14 2018, 7:55 am
camp123 wrote:
Of course halacha can be applied to currant situations. We do it all the time.
According to rabbi tatz quoting rav elyashiv. The halacha is to do what is normal. That is to do normal hishdadlus and then rely on Hashem. If you do this even if vaccines are harmful you will not be harmed anymore than if u don't vaccinate. It is a complete lack of bitachon not to vaccinate.
Also there are 613 motzvos, Not halachos.


When it comes to this, all of a sudden the Halacha is to do what’s normal ?
Because following Halacha by doing things like Wearing winter clothes and sheitals in 100 degree whether is very healthy and normal
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amother
Blue


 

Post Wed, Nov 14 2018, 8:11 am
amother wrote:
When it comes to this, all of a sudden the Halacha is to do what’s normal ?
Because following Halacha by doing things like Wearing winter clothes and sheitals in 100 degree whether is very healthy and normal


We're talking here about 'vnishmartem lenafshoisaichem', There are different parameters for each mitzva. Not sure what this has to do with sheitels and winter clothes

(and heck not sure why you would be wearing winter clothes in hot weather, what halacha is that? Covering hair doesn't have to be with a sheitel either.)
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Culturedpearls




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Nov 14 2018, 8:24 am
amother wrote:
Halacha is in the torah. Vaccines where invented centuries later. Rabbi's cant make up halachos.


Electricity was also centuries later. You switch lights on on shabbos?
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southernbubby




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Nov 14 2018, 8:30 am
Regardless of what halacha says, the measles outbreak is so severe in Rockland now that apparently, according to the news, nobody, even those fully vaccinated or born before 1957 are considered immune.◂
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Measles Outbreak: 13 More Cases In Four Days In Rockland County
Now so widespread, with 68 confirmed cases, even those born before 1957 and those who were fully vaccinated are at risk.
By Lanning Taliaferro | Nov 13, 2018 1:06 pm ET | Updated Nov 13, 2018 3:58 pm ET
Measles Outbreak: 13 More Cases In Four Days In Rockland County

ROCKLAND COUNTY, NY — There are 68 confirmed cases of measles within Rockland County as well as 11 suspected cases. That's a jump of 13 cases in just four days.


County Department of Health officials said that the entire county should be considered at risk. Even people previously considered immune — anyone born before 1957 and anyone who has received two doses of measles vaccine — could catch the highly contagious disease.

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Health officials tightened restrictions on schools in the geographic area where the outbreak is concentrated. All schools in New Square and any school in Spring Valley or Monsey where the immunization rate is lower than 80 percent, must keep un- or under-vaccinated students at home.

The restrictions, which affect 34 schools, will apply until 21 days after the last measles case is confirmed in the county — and officials acknowledge that that could be months away.


The county also wants children to be vaccinated earlier than usual. Instead of waiting till 12 months, any child 6 months or older or any adult who has not received their first MMR vaccine yet should get their first MMR vaccine now.

"We continue to encourage everyone to be up-to-date with the MMR vaccine to help protect them in case of any future exposure to measles in Rockland," said County Health Commissioner Dr. Patricia Schnabel Ruppert. "Measles is highly contagious, so anyone who is not protected against measles is at risk of getting the disease, and they may spread measles to people who cannot get vaccinated because they are too young or have specific health conditions."

The outbreak in Rockland, which started with visitors from Israel and residents who visited Israel, is primarily affecting the ultra-orthodox Jewish community.

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Measles can be dangerous, especially for babies and young children, as it can lead to pneumonia, brain damage, deafness, and death. Others who are at high risk for complications if they get the measles include fetuses, pregnant women who are not immune, as well as those who are immunocompromised or immunosuppressed (when your body can't fight disease).

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amother
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Post Wed, Nov 14 2018, 8:32 am
amother wrote:
We're talking here about 'vnishmartem lenafshoisaichem', There are different parameters for each mitzva. Not sure what this has to do with sheitels and winter clothes

(and heck not sure why you would be wearing winter clothes in hot weather, what halacha is that? Covering hair doesn't have to be with a sheitel either.)


I’m not anti vaccination. I just find the argument that Halacha dictates that we should do what’s normal a little far fetched and ironic. That hardly applies to anything we do.
In today’s day and age, the way many frum Jews dress even in summer would be considered wearing winter clothes according to the norm. I Don’t think doctors recommend that males should not spill seed for years until they get married. They actually recommend m-sturbation as normal and healthy in today’s day and age.

Veneshmartem .. I think applies to life/death situations. For example, you can take a pill that is not kosher if it will save your life. Vaccines are preventative. They are being administered to healthy people. That’s why I don’t see how it would apply.
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PinkFridge




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Nov 14 2018, 8:34 am
southernbubby wrote:
Regardless of what halacha says, the measles outbreak is so severe
ROCKLAND COUNTY, NY — There are 68 confirmed cases of measles within Rockland County as well as 11 suspected cases. That's a jump of 13 cases in just four days.


County Department of Health officials said that the entire county should be considered at risk. Even people previously considered immune — anyone born before 1957 and anyone who has received two doses of measles vaccine — could catch the highly contagious disease.



Anyone can catch it? Is it that vaccinations aren't 100% effective or something about when there are so many cases in one area?
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southernbubby




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Nov 14 2018, 8:41 am
PinkFridge wrote:
Anyone can catch it? Is it that vaccinations aren't 100% effective or something about when there are so many cases in one area?


Seems to be that during an outbreak, the only truly immune people are those that actually have had measles.
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amother
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Post Wed, Nov 14 2018, 10:09 am
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amother
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Post Wed, Nov 14 2018, 10:14 am


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amother
Cyan


 

Post Wed, Nov 14 2018, 10:16 am
blessedjmom wrote:
There is no halachic obligation to vaccinate.
Using my useename. Don't pounce:)
I did see letters from both sides of the coin.
I'm a happy medium- in the middle.

But halachic obligation? No.


R' Shmuel Fuerst, Dayan and R' Yonah Reiss of CRC disagree.

There may not be a halachic obligation in general, but when there is an outbreak, it's a different situation.

They consider anti-vaxxers to be rodfim at this time.


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southernbubby




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Nov 14 2018, 10:18 am
I called the Rockland county health department and they told me that because I was born in 1955, I should not worry about catching the measles.

I don't know where that news report came from but they are not advocate doing anything different.

My health department here in Oakland County does not usually give the shot to people my age.
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