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amother




Taupe


Post  Thu, Nov 29 2018, 11:24 am
https://www.vosizneias.com/311.....-run-ours/

New York - Wednesday night’s cold temperatures were no match for the scorching words of the Satmar Rebbe, Rabbi Aron Teitelbaum, who hurled fireball after fireball at the New York State Department of Education during last night’s 74th annual commemoration of the Satmar Rebbe, Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum’s escape from the Nazi regime.

The massive gathering was held at a warehouse in East Williamsburg and Rabbi Teitelbaum spared no words in his approximately 60 minute long address to the crowd, blasting Commissioner MaryEllen Elia for directives issued this week giving public schools the authority to decide if yeshivos were meeting the state mandated guidelines for providing a substantially equivalent secular education, as previously reported on VIN News (http://bit.ly/2TVRaEL).

Speaking passionately throughout the entire address, the Satmar Rebbe gave clear instructions to his followers to defy the DOE’s new orders, noting that the yeshiva system’s successes far outweigh those of the public schools and that the state has no right to intervene in the constitutionally guaranteed right to freedom of religion.

“If the commissioner of education wants to fix education in the State of New York, he can go to the public schools and fix the education being offered there,” thundered Rabbi Teitelbaum.

“We have been living here now for 70 years, which spans several generations and it is clear to see the results of our educational system versus theirs. We don’t produce killers and others who perpetuate violence. We don’t have drug dealers and thieves ,and our students are far more successful than public school graduates.”

Blazing ahead in a similar vein, the Satmar Rebbe said that the success of the yeshiva system has been historically proven.

“Look at their graduates versus ours,” continued Rabbi Teitelbaum. “Who is filling up the prisons and who is filling up the businesses and large commercial enterprises here in New York? Looking at the percentages, our graduates are making significantly greater contributions to the economy than theirs and that is why they have not interfered in our schools until now, even though they are spending $25,000 per year for every student in the public school, compared to the small amounts they spend transporting our students and on other small expenditures for our schools.”

Drawing parallels to the upcoming holiday of Chanukah, the Satmar Rebbe said that the unthinkable had happened with Commissioner Elia following in the ways of the Greeks who issued decrees prohibiting Jewish education.

“The Jewish nation will not bow or give in to the wicked, not even the commissioner of education,” said Rabbi Teitelbaum. “We will sacrifice and stand up for our very existence so that we can education our children and provide them with a Torah education. We have gone through many trials and tribulations for the sake of the holy Torah and now we will go out to war against the commissioner in every way, without any compromise or agreements.”

Rabbi Teitelbaum took the holiday theme one step further, taking aim at newly elected State Senator James Skoufis who blasted Kiryas Joel in his victory speech earlier this month. Without mentioning him directly by name, the Satmar Rebbe described Skoufis as a “wicked and evil man,” the biblical description accorded to Haman in the story of Purim.

Calling for unity among all Jewish groups in the face of the DOE rulings, Rabbi Teitelbaum said that the time had come to put aside small differences in order to achieve a common goal.

“We will not sit with folded hands,” said the Satmar Rebbe. “We will fight this war to preserve our rights to live according to our religion and with G-d’s help we will nullify this terrible decree and will not accede to the commission in any way.”
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amother




Mauve


Post  Fri, Nov 30 2018, 3:07 pm
I think his speech is a major chillul Hashem and plain inaccurate. I also don't understand how dare his schools use ANY city/state funding, with this attitude.
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Post  Fri, Nov 30 2018, 3:48 pm
amother wrote:
https://www.vosizneias.com/311054/2018/11/29/new-york-in-fiery-speech-satmar-rebbe-tells-nys-doe-clean-up-your-schools-before-telling-us-how-to-run-ours/

And that's what happens when outside elements come in and force their hand: The masses rise in protest and go to the opposite extreme to ensure the purity of their children's education. Time and again we've seen this. We're gonna see hafgunos... and milchemes Hashem and mesiras nefesh.... Punch
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Post  Sat, Dec 01 2018, 2:56 pm
amother wrote:
I think his speech is a major chillul Hashem and plain inaccurate. I also don't understand how dare his schools use ANY city/state funding, with this attitude.


I don't know about chillul hashem, but I do agree that getting funding and decrying any standards from said money-giving org is ridiculous.

One thing I respect about Satmar's attitude to the Israeli government is this "We don't want your money, we don't want your rules."
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amother




Amber


Post  Sat, Dec 01 2018, 3:07 pm
Lol
I hope word gets out and the funding stops. We will see how he sticks to his beliefs.
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amother




Babyblue


Post  Sat, Dec 01 2018, 3:26 pm
The whole situation with the DOE is very reminiscent of the Chanukah story. We cannot compromise our children's Jewish education. If it means losing funding, so be it. Yiddishkeit comes first. And I guarantee that this Rabbi would give up funding if that's the only way they can educate their kids in the way they see fit.
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amother




Slateblue


Post  Sat, Dec 01 2018, 6:09 pm
He has a strange rebuttal. Instead of justifying the standards of his school, (which he can't) he says, but your schools produce murderers and thieves. It's like what my 3rd grade son says when he's in trouble. He goes, yeah, but look at what he did! Don't look at me!
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amother




Jetblack


Post  Sat, Dec 01 2018, 6:10 pm
amother wrote:
The whole situation with the DOE is very reminiscent of the Chanukah story. We cannot compromise our children's Jewish education. If it means losing funding, so be it. Yiddishkeit comes first. And I guarantee that this Rabbi would give up funding if that's the only way they can educate their kids in the way they see fit.

Firstly, you don’t need to compromise on your children’s Jewish education; you can do both. No one has to give up any part of their Yiddishkeit.

Second, this rabbi went to court three or four times to get funding public school funding for his special “public” school which caters exclusively to his religious community. So I very highly doubt he’d give up funding. It’s all talk and no substance. The speech he gave is absolutely ridiculous with all sorts of halachic inaccuracies.
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amother




Mauve


Post  Sat, Dec 01 2018, 6:12 pm
gingertop wrote:
I don't know about chillul hashem, but I do agree that getting funding and decrying any standards from said money-giving org is ridiculous.


How could it NOT be a chillul Hashem, once all officials hear it??
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amother




Mauve


Post  Sat, Dec 01 2018, 6:16 pm
amother wrote:
Lol
I hope word gets out and the funding stops. We will see how he sticks to his beliefs.


See the response right below yours. That's exactly what will happen - they'd rather lose funding that let "the yevanim of our times persecute our heilige education".
What I really wonder is, will their inside donors give this money to mosdos or will their parents have to cough up it?
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amother




Mauve


Post  Sat, Dec 01 2018, 6:17 pm
amother wrote:
Second, this rabbi went to court three or four times to get funding public school funding for his special “public” school which caters exclusively to his religious community. So I very highly doubt he’d give up funding. It’s all talk and no substance. The speech he gave is absolutely ridiculous with all sorts of halachic inaccuracies.


What school is that?
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amother




Jetblack


Post  Sat, Dec 01 2018, 6:20 pm
amother wrote:
What school is that?

The Village of KJ has a government funded district public school, which they use for special education. They went to court because they got sued on the separation of church and state issue.
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amother




Wheat


Post  Sat, Dec 01 2018, 8:24 pm
I think he’s calling a spade a spade. The DOE says they want our system to be “on par” with the public school system. He’s answering to that. Simple.

I live in an out of town community that has acquiesced to the legal education standards here. A couple of years ago we were fighting against a course that would allow students to “pick a religion” because this was taught in “public schools and all other schools in the country.”

Frum Jewish schools ended up spending a fortune to develop a program that is similar but acceptable to the Jewish community, and the government still hasn’t approved it.

Now we’re back at it. This time it the s-x education that begins in kindergarten. Suddenly, the MO schools joined the bandwagon and want to be part of our meetings with the government to stop this mandatory program. It starts with how babies are made (presented neatly and completely to 5 year olds) and then encourages the children to explore the possibility that they may want to be part of the other s-x. This is the kindergarten program. It continues to m-sturbation in first grade and deals with s-xual relationships in the fourth grade curriculum.

When I sat with government officials to discuss the issues, I did exactly what satmar rebbe did. I said “we don’t have the s-x problems you have in the public schools. Why are you trying to create them?” It was a heated discussion. We’re still fighting. It was not a chillul Hashem. It would be a chillul Hashem to let it go.

I’m pretty sure if all of the New Yorkers don’t stop the ball from rolling, this will end up hurting everyone. Not just chassidim.

For the record, where I live, most private schools are partially funded by the government, but even the ones that are not funded are required to teach the mandated curriculum and parents can get fined or worse of their kids’ schools don’t comply.
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amother




Ecru


Post  Sat, Dec 01 2018, 8:54 pm
I don't live in the US so perhaps I'm missing something here. From what I read recently the new legislation requires 6 hours of secular studies a day in all elementary schools. Is that not a problem for all frum schools across the orthodox spectrum, not only chassidish? I live in England and 6 hours would cover the entire elementary school day. How many hours are your kids all in school for (minus recess and lunch breaks)?
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amother




Blue


Post  Sat, Dec 01 2018, 9:10 pm
?? I teach in a public school. There is no s-x ed in kindergarten!! Nothing until 5th grade, and that is just your standard "body changes" unit. Real relations ed is not until middle school at the earliest. And my out of town B.Y. covered the basics of human reproduction in probably 8th or 9th grade, as I recall.

I'm not saying there aren't concerns. I just think there's a lot of over inflated hysteria and unsubstantiated rumors flying. I really wouldn't put this on par with the Greeks trying to force Hellenism.
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amother




Ecru


Post  Sat, Dec 01 2018, 9:17 pm
amother wrote:
?? I teach in a public school. There is no s-x ed in kindergarten!! Nothing until 5th grade, and that is just your standard "body changes" unit. Real relations ed is not until middle school at the earliest. And my out of town B.Y. covered the basics of human reproduction in probably 8th or 9th grade, as I recall.

I'm not saying there aren't concerns. I just think there's a lot of over inflated hysteria and unsubstantiated rumors flying. I really wouldn't put this on par with the Greeks trying to force Hellenism.


She may be living in a different state than you teach in. She said that she lives OOT, and not in New York.
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amother




Blue


Post  Sat, Dec 01 2018, 9:33 pm
I don't live in NY, either. I just find that very, very hard to believe. Americans tend to be very prudish about these things being taught to young kids in school, believe it or not, and if you've ever read anything about the parental complaints, lawsuits, and requests for various kids books to be removed from public school libraries or problems over showing a PG movie for even just a whiff of the things she mentions, you would, too.
And I absolutely do not believe the stuff about choosing religions. Separation of church and state is taken very seriously!! Just one parental lawsuit would cost the school district serious $. Maybe she is describing school in the UK, but that just wouldn't happen in an American school.
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amother




Ecru


Post  Sat, Dec 01 2018, 9:36 pm
amother wrote:
I don't live in NY, either. I just find that very, very hard to believe. Americans tend to be very prudish about these things being taught to young kids in school, believe it or not, and if you've ever read anything about the parental complaints, lawsuits, and requests for various kids books to be removed from public school libraries or problems over showing a PG movie for even just a whiff of the things she mentions, you would, too.


I hear you. As I mentioned, I don't actually live in the US. I don't know what she was referring to so I can't comment either way. I'm really wondering about the six hours though - does this not affect all Orthodox schools in New York? How come all the rest of the communities are quiet about this, does it not affect them as well?
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Post  Sat, Dec 01 2018, 9:43 pm
amother wrote:
I don't live in the US so perhaps I'm missing something here. From what I read recently the new legislation requires 6 hours of secular studies a day in all elementary schools. Is that not a problem for all frum schools across the orthodox spectrum, not only chassidish? I live in England and 6 hours would cover the entire elementary school day. How many hours are your kids all in school for (minus recess and lunch breaks)?

It is not 6 hours of specific courses though. It is it is 6 hours of ANY classes that meet the requirements. So, as long as Judaic classes (for example Hebrew language) meet a requirement, they can be counted toward the total.
The real problem, as it was explained to me, is the ambiguity. Precisely BECAUSE the requirements are not specific, Yeshiva’s may run into issues. All schools in the state will have to follow the guidelines, but whether or not any particular classes meet those requirements will be left up to each inspector, or whatever they will be called. That means that one inspector can say “yes, x school meets the requirements by incorporating them into Judaic studies classes” while another inspector can say “y school does NOT meet the requirements because these requirements can not be incorporated into Judaic studies classes.”
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Post  Sat, Dec 01 2018, 9:45 pm
amother wrote:
I hear you. As I mentioned, I don't actually live in the US. I don't know what she was referring to so I can't comment either way. I'm really wondering about the six hours though - does this not affect all Orthodox schools in New York? How come all the rest of the communities are quiet about this, does it not affect them as well?


I didn't read the article but most schools are afraid it will affect them. I believe the 6 hours wont work out.

If the bottom line will be that they will demand good grades and a 20 minute gym break I will be more than happy. I want my boys to know English and Math. I'm tired of teaching tired kids at home after cheider.
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