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amother
Pearl


 

Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 10:33 am
My son is a brilliant child, very street smart. Very curious, likes to understand everything and asks smart questions. In Yeshiva, he understands anything taught orally but he doesn't get Hebrew (nor English) reading.
He has ADHD and is treated with medication. He's able to concentrate with it but there seems to be a blockage in reading or written comprehension. We tried different tutors with no success so far. His vision is good and we entertained the prism glasses idea. We went to several specialists who said it wouldn't make it or break it for him. We tried many approaches without success. Bh he is not dyslexic. Any ideas how else we can try to help this struggling child?
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amother
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Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 10:40 am
A good ( trained and certified)reading specialist should be able to give a thorough evaluation and find out his exact issue and make specific recommendations. There are 5 specific areas that a child needs in order to read successfully. A good reading specialist should be able to pinpoint it. ADHD alone is not going to hold a child back from learning to read.
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hotzenplotz




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 10:46 am
If you are in Brooklyn try Rabbi Shaul Klein 13something 44th street.

He set up resource rooms in Hebrew Academy of Nassau county, Kiryas Yoel and New Square among other schools.
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amother
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Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 11:22 am
Btw, if he understands things taught orally, the comprehension shouldn't be the issue. Sounds like it's the phonics/word ID, etc. Are you sure he isn't dyslexic? What kind of specialist did you go to?
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smilethere1




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 11:50 am
My cousin thats in 7th grade exactly like this. Very smart bright kid that couldn't read. She went to many specialists with no success till they came across the feldenkrais/abm method. She went to someone in crown heights. And after just 1 session she was sitting on the couch with a novel reading from cover to cover....
Im actually taking my daughter to her now for other issues. U can pm me for more info
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seeker




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 11:55 am
I agree that a consultation with a reading specialist is in order.

When did the issues start? Were there early signs? I know someone who was on medication (not for ADHD, a more serious psychiatric need so they didn't really have options) and it caused serious reading issues. If you think the difficulties might be related to when he started medication, maybe ask your doctor if it might be worth trying a different med.
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amother
Coffee


 

Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 12:03 pm
amother wrote:
Btw, if he understands things taught orally, the comprehension shouldn't be the issue. Sounds like it's the phonics/word ID, etc. Are you sure he isn't dyslexic? What kind of specialist did you go to?


I agree. Why don't you think he is dyslexic?
I recently had a student whose parents only were willing to get her properly evaluated after fourth grade. she is now diagnosed as dyslexic. They called a School meeting, and none of the teachers were surprised at all. You need a major evaluation from a professional, not some kriyah rebbi or experienced morah.

I also agree that he should be evaluated by a reading specialist. Again, someone who knows Wilson/Orton-Gillingham

There are kids who compensate but never ever got basic vowel sound down!view
A reading specialist should be looking for the root of the problem
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amother
Pewter


 

Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 2:29 pm
My son is seven and has a hard time with reading. The school had him evaluated and gives him lots of extra help. Bh he is having success with the LIPS program which the school brought in a teacher just for him. They also give him remedial for reading plus title one. What does his school say?
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4pom




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 2:32 pm
smilethere1 wrote:
My cousin thats in 7th grade exactly like this. Very smart bright kid that couldn't read. She went to many specialists with no success till they came across the feldenkrais/abm method. She went to someone in crown heights. And after just 1 session she was sitting on the couch with a novel reading from cover to cover....
Im actually taking my daughter to her now for other issues. U can pm me for more info



Not OP.
I’ve been looking into the feldenkrais/ Anat Baniel method for my son for different issues. Would love to pm you for info.
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esther36




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 2:35 pm
As a reading specialist for many years trained in different programs, I've seen great success with the Wilson fundations program with a child like that. Try to find a provider that's trained in this program. Hatzlocha!
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amother
Pearl


 

Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 3:02 pm
OP here. Wow, I so appreciate all advice and suggestions. I feel like you're all caring friends here. So it seems like there's hope out there.
My son was tested by a professional reading specialist this year, bh he said it's absolutely not dyslexia.
I will look into the options and different methods you mentioned. Can you please give more information about these methods?
We aren't in a position to spend thousands, so please don't mention expensive trials I can try...
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amother
Fuchsia


 

Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 3:09 pm
amother wrote:
OP here. Wow, I so appreciate all advice and suggestions. I feel like you're all caring friends here. So it seems like there's hope out there.
My son was tested by a professional reading specialist this year, bh he said it's absolutely not dyslexia.
I will look into the options and different methods you mentioned. Can you please give more information about these methods?
We aren't in a position to spend thousands, so please don't mention expensive trials I can try...


If you had an evaluation, you should have been given more specific information on what is the problem.
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amother
Navy


 

Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 3:12 pm
You may be able to find a speech therapist to help with the phonological awareness aspect, if that's an issue. You can possible access speech therapy via your health insurance.
Some speech therapists are trained in teaching reading. You can call Dr Helene Ribowsky to see if she has trained anyone in your area. Then you can ask them if they accept your insurance. Good luck!
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amother
Pearl


 

Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 3:24 pm
Speech is not his issue. He doesn't read.
Obviously I'm here asking this question because I haven't gotten smarter through those specialists.
They're baffled as well, he has a high IQ, not dyslexic, ADHD is being treated, sees a top tutor but there seems a blockage....
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amother
Navy


 

Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 3:31 pm
I am sure his speech is fine. Speech language pathologists don't only deal with speech sound production but are trained in other areas. Some of which may be the underlying causes for his disorder. I suggested that route rather than another reading specialist because you mentioned monetary constraints. Hatzlacha with whatever you choose!
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amother
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Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 3:33 pm
Maybe he needs a thorough evaluation with a school psychologist. That will pinpoint any areas of need that could point to a specific learning disability, for example with his processing skills. There is something holding him back from learning.
What reading level did the reading specialist put him at? Is he at least pre primer? Does he know letters of the alphabet? Can he identify any sight words?
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amother
Linen


 

Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 3:41 pm
I'd go for a second evaluation- find someone at the very top of the reading specialist field. Having a similar issue with my 9 year old, at my wits end. He can read accurately but so so so slowly, like a six year old. It's painful and he's falling so far behind in school. ( in Israel)
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amother
Pearl


 

Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 3:49 pm
Thanks again for all concerns and suggestions. Yes, my son does know the alphabets and read basic sentences but ever so slow and gets confused with similar letters.
We saw a psychologist but he said that he doesn't see a logical reason why he doesn't get it...
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amother
Dodgerblue


 

Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 4:32 pm
That actually sounds like a mild case of dyslexia. I would second the recommendation for Wilson or Orton-Gillingham.
A school psychologist is different than a regular psychologist, btw. A school psychologist is trained to give assessments that evaluate not just I Q., but learning styles and weaknesses. A good one should have written up a report summarizing the results and recommendations, not just said he is baffled Scratching Head
The report should also have given an equivalent grade level for his reading and writing skills.
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amother
Plum


 

Post Sun, Dec 30 2018, 4:39 pm
If he’s not reading by age 8 and was in a school that teaches reading then obviously he’s not picking it up in thr standard way that it’s taught . I’d retest him with another reading specialist before deciding that he’s not dyslexic. Either way , I would recommend someone trained in Wilson as a dyslexic practitioner .
There is a link between ADHD and dyslexia .
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